is baka too strict on its users class sytem?

[Axelord]

Hi all,

Please go easy on my first poll/post. It is my main/only problem with baka.  I want to share but 20gb upload requirement will literally take me years on my throttled ISP.  Ive been a member too long to be a really stupid noob, I know how closed trackers with ratio go.  A possible solution could be 20gb uploaded OR a year of membership.

I apologize for my English, typing on a tablet is miserable.  I hope this is an insightful, helpful post/poll.

Cheers

Little disappointed I was instantly voted as a noob.  I just wanted to give back with my rare import treasures that Baka doesn't have and considering their rarity possibly never will.  Comment feedback is appreciated too.  Perhaps I'm just missing something.

Thank you for your insight blupart. It wasn't the vote, it was the lack of thought or reason I was taken aback by. Double posting maintains my responses chronologically, lol.  The fact that you disabled the poll only comes from fear of the truth on your part. Evidently you have more than I, as I did allow myself to be called a noob in my own poll.  It simply couldn't have hurt, and with more votes I would have had any of the answers I was looking for. You and your moderating come off as educated trolling more than genuine helpfulness.

Macross, you have been most helpful.  Unfortunately as I feel I've been met with much awkward spite, I will not persue this issue any longer.

Cheers to 128kbs.

[macros74]

Thing is, you could create a .torrent file and ask a power user to offer the torrent (provide said user with the .torrent file and create a description if so wished) for you. That way you can seed the torrent (after the initial waiting period for non-power users of course) yourself.
Maybe not the ideal situation you wanted (uploading under your own name), but that way you do make certain those rare releases get distributed.

Edit: or spend some money on a seedbox account, like mentioned below... 

[blubart]

being a normal member is perfectly fine. you should want to be a power user if you a) want to help build up an initial strong swarm or b) upload torrents.
both is obviously impossible with a connection where it seemingly takes you years to upload 20gb.

it seems your suggestion is more ego driven than actually backed up with any reasons why we should change the current system. please start there.

a poll doesn't help at all, as it at best attracts those that can't backup their stance with facts to hide behind some perceived majority (or "misunderstood" minority, depending on the poll). thus i've closed it. you are all absolutely free to voice your arguments in proper fashion though.

[Kyrdua]

what blubart said. if you really want to upload things yourself you can get a seedbox.
it costs a bit depending on provider. but it will definitely ease getting 20 GB UL/DL.

[Soryon]

Seed boxes are fairly cheap tbh if you want to go that route.
You cant really say that the UL number is too high because while some people may have issues, the vast majority wont. You cant design a system around the bottom 1%.

As a side note- If your upload sucks that bad, you wont really gain anything from being a power user anyway since its main benefits revolve around being able to upload stuff (aside from getting too see brand new torrents, but 1 week isnt a huge time to wait, and then they will all be well seeded by the time you get to see them.

[blubart]

Thank you for your insight blupart. It wasn't the vote, it was the lack of thought or reason I was taken aback by. Double posting maintains my responses chronologically, lol.

apparently you don't understand what doubleposting means (it's to follow up your posts with another post without someone else responding in the meantime - aka talking with yourself. - there is absolutely zero difference between editing your post and creating a new one right behind your initial post from a chronological pov). you are obviously free to properly reply to other peoples posts.

The fact that you disabled the poll only comes from fear of the truth on your part. Evidently you have more than I, as I did allow myself to be called a noob in my own poll.  It simply couldn't have hurt, and with more votes I would have had any of the answers I was looking for.

now you are just getting pathetic. the "evil censor/oppressive regime" reproach? if there would be any kind of fear from any legitimate discussion i would've just made you (post, account, IP, ip range or country...) disappear into oblivion.
this here is a community where (to the best of our abilities) judgment is based on facts and arguments, not some wish-wash stances and believes.
so if you have one: present it properly, don't blame others if your advance doesn't yield anything just because you are unable/unwilling to back it up.

[macros74]

Double posting refers to no consecutive posts by the same person, it does not mean you need to edit your first post to keep up a discussion.
Bit awkward that.

Macross, you have been most helpful.  Unfortunately as I feel I've been met with much awkward spite, I will not persue this issue any longer.

Cheers to 128kbs.

I'm sorry, spite? You should perhaps spend some more time on the forum, this was no spite, rest assured...  

[Xtras]

To be honest, being part of a torrent site that tracks ratio implies a minimum requirement of bandwidth. You don't need anything amazing, heck I made power user and seeded a good bit of my original few uploads off a .5 Mbps connection and I think I got a solid 120 GB uploaded in year or so. If you are running a dial up connection, or something with absurdly low upload though, there isn't much choice but to bite the bullet and get a box or get a friend who is willing to seed a few things for you.

I'm willing to bet that the bigger problem in your case is that you are seeding things with 100 seeders to each leecher. Even 128 Kbps upload could get you far enough I'd say, if you took the right steps with offers and freeleech. Painful but possible.

[Bob2004]

Yeah, 128Kb/s shouldn't be too slow to get 20GB uploaded. Like Xtras, my connection only has 0.5Mb/s upload speed, and I've uploaded over 150GB in half a year. 20GB is easy.

Besides, if your connection really is so slow that it's impossible for you to upload 20GB, how exactly were you planning to upload your "rare import treasures that Baka doesn't have and considering their rarity possibly never will" anyway? If your connection is really that slow, then uploading new torrents will basically be impossible for you anyway, power user or not.

[joseole99]

i don't find the requirements to be strict enough. i can't count how many shit offers i've seen uploaded by people that just made power user. it's pathetic... seriously what kind of excuses is "it was my first upload". in my opinion, the only people that should be able to offer are people that have a 1.0 ratio or better. the 0.5 ratio is being quite lax.

[rathoriel]

a year to upload 20GB? if your were to become a power user tomorrow and offer a 3 to 5 GB torrent and alot of people wanted it it may take years for them just to download it.....

Edit: sorry if it sounds a bit rude but right on the main page it says BakaBT anime Community....sounds like you just moved into the neighborhood told everyone there houses look like crap, painted the wrong colors, the landscaping is a disaster and your car is a piece of crap.

I got my Power User status back when you had to have a 1.0 ratio. My connection isnt that great (when I started it was 768kbps down/ 386 UP and its now 3.0Mbps down/ 768 UP) but i worked at it.....

[Axelord]

I was not referring to spite from you macros74. I meant only to thank you for your valuable information.

Thank you Xtras, Soryon. Your information is most appreciated.

Perhaps its my own paranoia that limits my uploading, although yes it is difficult to connect to users when there are so many seeds.  My ISP is a small one run by a tyrannica man with little knowledge of today's bandwidth standards.  Further communication with him regarding connection speed is futile.

blubart,
First you acused me of having ego problems, now I'm pathetic?  I think it is you who are the pathetic ego maniac. Perhaps moderating a forum and having power over what people say has gone to your head. Notice thus far you've still had the least valuable input of all and have chosen to attack my character.  You continue to demand that I post some hard argument, I was only presenting an idea.

If I did want to make an argument, I'd say set me to 20/20/poweruser so i can upload, now.  Do the few statistics really matter?  Certainly not compared to anything tangeable in the real world. If you truly believed my story on here in the circumstances given, then what reason is there not to?

Perhaps we're looking at the proposed problem the wrong way...  I joined baka over a year ago and have upped 9 and downed 14 gigs.  Baka only has so much early 90s anime osts.  I got a few great mp3 albums that i ended up going through the trouble and cost of importing from japan.  I simply want to give back flacs (something I'm certainly not a noob at, unlike forums perhaps :-) ) for those mp3s that I enjoyed so much.

Not to sound elitist or defeated, but baka at this point literally has nothing for me.  At the time of this post I only wanted to give back.  I don't want to upload for the sake of more greedy downloading (at least not here anyways), only to give back and  be on my way to scavenge another corner of the web.

I could upload something as mentioned above in a night, but bakas system of uploads makes me download trash I  dont want just to give back.  I suppose I'm a little miffed that baka has so little trust for its users.  I'm on other more and less exclusive bigger and smaller and even stricter torrent sites, and all of them allow all new users to upload. Bakas system may stop some spam, but some of the gold goes with it, damaging further the already hurting selection, IMO.

Perhaps I will upload to another member and do stuff that way as mentioned by macros74. Thank you.

[Soryon]

Really the point is that when you make an offer/upload, YOU are the one who has to seed that to all of the people downloading it. If it takes years to upload 20GB as you say, it will surely take months to upload even one OST. That data doesnt magically jump across the web. It comes from YOUR OWN upload capacity, until you have seeded the torrent in full at least once.
If your connection was good enough for something like that then why are you not a power user already?

I think its good to have a high number to become a power user, because it ensures that if you make an offer that you also have the ability to seed it.
Even tho your intentions seem good, you inability to seed makes it hugely frustrating to anyone who would attempt to download your offer. Even if you tried to offer the files to someone else to seed, even that person still has to rely on your bandwidth, even if you put in on a file hosting site, its still your bandwidth that uploads it.

So, either your connection isnt as bad as you think and you just arent properly seeding stuff (given the items that you are seeding, its quite possible. Its obvious why they have no activity.) or you are making a nearly impossible offer.

[Axelord]

You make a valid point but theres a slight misunderstanding. I can force up 70kbps, so a night or two for an album.  Using  bakas method its taken me this long to get this far.  Some of it was done binging in high speed area, but those networks wernt configured for upload and wouldn't connect, nor did I have a machine there for extended periods though I did try.

You continue to think noobish of my internet and torrent protocol understandings.  Imagine an ISP that tortures and punishes its clients to the point of legal action being more than appropriate, that's what I have lol.  Thats where the insanity surrounding me comes from, not me or my ignorance and noobism. 

I know what exactly I'm capable of. Uploading 500MB yes, uploading 20Gb off piddly freeleeches no one wants, another couple years or never since I'm done downloading comics I don't read or want.  I'm really not trying to be or here to be a dick, and there's not much more ground to cover.  I thank all of you for your input.  Even blubart lol.  If I hadn't found him so antagonistic I wouldnt have stayed to fully explain myself.

[Kyrdua]

^ i will say this again. seedbox.

[mrdkreka]

Imagine an ISP that tortures and punishes its clients to the point of legal action being more than appropriate, that's what I have lol.  Thats where the insanity surrounding me comes from, not me or my ignorance and noobism. 

You are trolling right?

If not, then do one of the following
1. Get a new ISP
2. use VPN
3. use a seedbox
4. get a friend to seed for you.

I'm on other more and less exclusive bigger and smaller and even stricter torrent sites, and all of them allow all new users to upload.

Really most private tracker don't allow new user or normal user to upload, since it will generate a lot of spam, so it is normally pretty difficult to become an uploader. I guess you have been lucky(unlucky) to find trackers that allow all people to upload.

[Radar19]

You dont have to seed, its just nicer if you do. My ISP is starting to crack down on heavy uploaders so that really pushed me into getting a seedbox. Now I have two box's that are seeding for both BakaBT and UTW fansubs. Most of the time I just seed for the hell of it. Half the things I am seeding I havent downloaded yet. I just get a nice fuzzy feeling that I'm helping others get their anime just a bit faster now.

[Chiyachan]

Why do I bet what you want to upload is either:
1) on the system.
2) already blacklisted.

Furthermore, 128kbs and you complain?
I spent 2 years with 10kbs thanks to BT throttling and traffic shaping. Don't whine about such a great speed.

[Southrop]

I still think that we should make it harder to get to be a Power User. Power User has the word Power in it. And we all know from Uncle Ben that with great power comes great responsibility. Yet most users are too stupid to even read the Rules.

I propose that as a result of this complaint, we increase Power user requirements to a ratio of 2.0. Then we move the User class to 1.0, and introduce a Newbie class for new users, and an Epic Failure class for people who achieve Power User but then epically fail.



By the way, BakaBT is probably one of the easiest amongst private and semi-private trackers to seed on (Nyaa is semi-private too though). I'd like to see you try and reach Power User on Animebyt.es or What.cd. Their requirements are even stricter than ours. AND they're fully private too, making it much harder to seed.

Animebyt.es:

Aka-chan - Default class for new users.

User - To be promoted to this class from Aka-chan, one must have been a member for one week (7 days), have at least 10.5GB uploaded, and a minimum ratio of 0.7.

Power User - Been here at least two weeks (14 days), has uploaded at least 10 torrents and 25GB uploaded, ratio above 0.9.

Elite - Been here at least 1 month (30 days), has uploaded at least 50 torrents and 100GB uploaded, ratio above 1.00.

Torrent Master - Been here at least 3 months (90 days), has uploaded at least 100 torrents and 500GB uploaded, ratio above 1.25.

Legend - Been here at least 6 months (180 days), has uploaded at least 500 torrents and 1TB uploaded, ratio above 1.50.

What.cd

User - The Default.

Member - The First Rung.
Requirements - Been here for at least 1 week, has uploaded at least 10GB and a ratio above 0.7.

Power User - Those With a Little Power.
Requirements - Been here at least 2 weeks, has uploaded at least five torrents and 25GB, ratio above 1.05.

Elite - The Elite.
Requirements - Been here at least 4 weeks, has uploaded at least 50 torrents and 100GB, ratio above 1.05.

Torrent Master - The Select Few.
Requirements - Been here at least 8 weeks, has uploaded at least 500 torrents and 500GB, ratio above 1.05.

Power TM - The Coolest of the Cool.
Requirements - Been here at least 8 weeks, has uploaded at least 500GB, ratio above 1.05, and has also uploaded one or more torrents in at least 500 unique groups (albums).

Elite TM - Masters of the FLAC.
Requirements - Been here at least 8 weeks, has uploaded at least 500GB, ratio above 1.05, and has also uploaded at least 500 torrents that are "perfect" FLAC (100% log for CD, or any Vinyl/DVD/Soundboard/WEB FLAC/cassette/Blu-Ray/SACD/DAT).

[Xtras]

I still think that we should make it harder to get to be a Power User. Power User has the word Power in it. And we all know from Uncle Ben that with great power comes great responsibility. Yet most users are too stupid to even read the Rules.

I propose that as a result of this complaint, we increase Power user requirements to a ratio of 2.0. Then we move the User class to 1.0, and introduce a Newbie class for new users, and an Epic Failure class for people who achieve Power User but then epically fail.

Here here. I'm game for this 

By the way, BakaBT is probably one of the easiest amongst private and semi-private trackers to seed on (Nyaa is semi-private too though). I'd like to see you try and reach Power User on Animebyt.es or What.cd. Their requirements are even stricter than ours. AND they're fully private too, making it much harder to seed.

If you can make it on What.cd, you can make it anywhere. That site is murder, to the point that I fear to download anything from there. Not enough leechers, freeleech has more high speed seedboxes piled on than torrent snatches, and to top it off their torrents are all small sizes (by BBT standards). Animebyt.es however you get upload credit for making forum posts though, so imo it is easier to maintain ratio there at the very least, even if it is harder to make power user.