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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2011, 11:37:06 PM »
I put mjolnir since my clan members are very "eager" to finish a game... :D I don't usually use razor though but it is what I do.... I only played razor for like 6 times only.. I haven't got a chance to experiment.. hehehe
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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2011, 12:17:10 AM »
Didn't they change S&Y to not be an orb effect, so it now stacks with everything but itself?

Yep they did:
Sange
- Lesser Maim is no longer an Orb effect
Sange and Yasha
- Greater Maim is no longer an Orb effect

So those works with everything now a days.

True, manta is a good item for Razor, forgot about it when I wrote higher up. Gives some nice stat buffs, MS buff and the illusion split to dodge certain effects and heroes with. One of the better items on the hero once you are past the early game stage with vanguard/hood.

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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2011, 02:17:48 AM »
switch sny with ms?
hmmm, okay, will try it later...

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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2011, 04:13:09 AM »
Oh Wow.. Didn't know SnY is not longer an orb effect... LOL.. I stopped playing after the first map where Icarus is included
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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2011, 04:42:58 AM »
Help with Invoker? One word:
"Micro".
Well, not exactly micro but you get the idea. Once you get those fast fingers to alter between spells mid-fight, you can just spam aoe spells or toggle between support spells. And if your fast enough where you can switch to ghost walk almost instantly, that's when you'll pawn.
Of course you need to have good knowledge about each spell and what's the perfect situation to use. Also, you have to know what default set of spells to use depending on who're you facing and/or who're you allies.

I'm not sure which items to buy though, I think it's highly dependable on who're you facing.


My favorite hero (recently) is Rexxar. I like how everyone thinks I'm mh'ing when I use my bird to scout a head :D.

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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2011, 07:36:00 AM »
Another one is Templar assassin (Lanaya) with its traps you know.. :P
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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2011, 07:54:38 AM »
...and i still dunno how to use morphling, enigma and faceless void to its full potential...

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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2011, 08:35:03 AM »
Morphling's core item for me is Manta Style, Butterfly and Ethereal blade... Seriously!...

Enigma, well radiance, guinsoo or orchid...... I forgot but that's what I have...

For Void ( one of my fav heroes ) is Mask of Madness and butterfly!!!! yeah... and BattleFury since his Ultimate Skill is Chronosphere so when you have some enemies being close together and stuff you can activate chronosphere and using MoM to increase attack speed with battlefury for splash damage... Well you can also include Buriza or MKB, it depends... Buriza for critz while MKB is for hits being done regardless of high evasion percentage... Oh and don't forget your first skill... I think its Time Walk or something to surprise them... ;)
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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2011, 08:43:25 AM »
Morphling's core item for me is Manta Style, Butterfly and Ethereal blade... Seriously!...

Enigma, well radiance, guinsoo or orchid...... I forgot but that's what I have...

For Void ( one of my fav heroes ) is Mask of Madness and butterfly!!!! yeah... and BattleFury since his Ultimate Skill is Chronosphere so when you have some enemies being close together and stuff you can activate chronosphere and using MoM to increase attack speed with battlefury for splash damage... Well you can also include Buriza or MKB, it depends... Buriza for critz while MKB is for hits being done regardless of high evasion percentage... Oh and don't forget your first skill... I think its Time Walk or something to surprise them... ;)
man, that some serious tips...
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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2011, 08:49:10 AM »
Regarding Enigma. Doesnt he forest? Like farming for a dagger? Then using AOE spell + (spawn creeps (if enough mana)) + ulti. Hes like an initiator. He + Nevermore's ulti is my fav ^^
Ill build Void like this: Threads (battlefury before threads depend on your farm)--> battlefury --> mask of madness --> any dps item. The one with true strike is prob. best? And butterfly last. Maybe some magic armor/bkb depends on enemies ofc :)

@Roven: Looks like you're pretty good with microing then? ^^ Rexxar is a fun hero to play indeed, but difficult \:

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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2011, 09:34:24 AM »
Enigma mostly jungles, that is true. It can also be used on lane, but it is kind of weak on it due to low health and short range, works decent on a triple lane or a push lane. Normal for jungle items is chicken (later upgraded to flying, so you can get items there). A bunch of clarities and whatever else you want at the start (maybe a sobi mask for regen). If they havn't warded the jungle to stop farming you should rush dagger. If they have warded the jungle you should get boots first.

Since you jungle you should gank, same as all junglers. Depending on what you have on the lane nearest you you can start ganking at level 2. If you have a bad lane you might need to wait until level 6 in order to gank. If you do gank, know that it will burn all your mana, so you either have to wait for clarities to give it back and then jungle more or pull creeps to the lane. Pulling before a gank is pretty decent since you get more creeps after the jungle ones are dead and force the lane in a certain direction.

After the lane phase when you have dagger you are a ganker and initiator. Your job is to kill opponent heroes and get your ulti in. If you have no hero in your team that can gank, just keep warding and protecting your carries. The farm you get should go to either meka, necomomicon or guinsoo depending on match-up (on some occasions the cheap eul is better than guinsoo), might need faster stat raisers such as bracers if you get crap for farm.


Side note, Enigma, Lich lane is funny (not played any more though). Both destroy own creeps, meaning the tower gets pushed quickly. Nice if you want your safe lane to be long quickly, that way you can  usually get better farm on the carry hero. Downside is that the ones that were at that lane for the opponent start ganking and that they got free money, your jungle is suddenly much more risky as well.


Void, get treads, basic stat boosters like bracer/wraith, then mom (unless you get GREAT farm). Once you have mom you can kill many of the heroes in the game. Afterwards get whatever that suits an agi carry. Things like MKB/butterfly/battlefury/ghostscepter/S&Y/manta... Might be a good idea on some occasions to start out with a stout shield, on other occasions it might be better to start out with Quelling blade, it all depends on what type of lane you get. Will you get harassed to death or can you farm?


Morphling, treads, basic stat boosters -> manta style. Often a good idea to get magic wand on morph since he uses a lot of mana.
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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2011, 10:31:06 AM »
Let us try another hero that steal kills: the Demon Bitch! (Lion)!... That being said, I get pissed when his Finger of Death just slams an enemy with low HP.. I had one time when an HP of an opponent is 64 and an ally of mine used Finger of Death.. Jesus... :o
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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2011, 01:01:02 PM »
Let us try another hero that steal kills: the Demon Bitch! (Lion)!... That being said, I get pissed when his Finger of Death just slams an enemy with low HP.. I had one time when an HP of an opponent is 64 and an ally of mine used Finger of Death.. Jesus... :o

aka ks xD Yes indeed. Pretty annoying. When you mention Lion, its another hero with blast as ulti. Lina ^^

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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2011, 01:23:00 PM »
aka ks xD Yes indeed. Pretty annoying. When you mention Lion, its another hero with blast as ulti. Lina ^^
lina is one of the hardest hero to kill... :(

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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2011, 01:57:47 PM »
KS only exist on low levels. Once you are past a certain point two things should hold true, there is no such thing as overkill and certain heroes need the money more than others. If you have a gank with rylai, sven and mortred involved. Then if it is possible without increasing the risk mortred should be given the kill. Even if all the hero does is hit the enemy once.

Best way to handle KS in public games is just to say sorry for KS and move on. Else that team mate is likely to not help you the rest of game, likely causing a loss.

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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2011, 02:27:52 PM »
Who cares when you're usually playing with anons, zap em then say sorry, followed by a smile.
Lion and Lina, pretty easy to handle, smack them before they see you coming, and it's pretty obvious you don't try to face either alone.
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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2011, 05:35:01 PM »
I haven't played DotA in ages.  :'(

I really liked my Barathrum build. Let's see if I can remember this correctly :P
I think I'd go for two bracers quickly, then s&y and then whatever the game required. Either more damage, more attack speed, more armor or something like linken sphere.
I'd get bash first. Then the speed aura and stats until ulti at 6 and start killing people all over.
Then depending on how well I'm doing I'd get a fast charge or hold it off till later.

I would primarily focus heroes that are alone and/or agility/intelligence because they typically have low HP and low armor.
I don't think I ever lost with that build on public servers :D

I also liked playing with meepo. It's intense but kinda hard to lose.

I'd always play to win the game, not get the highest score.
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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2011, 05:57:23 PM »
That is a good point, there is plenty of difference between a high score and playing to win. When I played DotA in clan wars I was usually the support character. Heroes like Rylai, Lion, Warlock, Dazzle, Ezalor or Dark Seer. Heroes whose skills don't scale all that well in the late game, so building them with items is a bit of a waste. Warding/courier being a better use of their gold, well that and minimal farming, carries need that more. The thing I needed to work the most on (still do I guess), would be ganking, I always play a little too passive, liking the 50 min games. :p

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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2011, 09:11:50 PM »
That is a good point, there is plenty of difference between a high score and playing to win. When I played DotA in clan wars I was usually the support character. Heroes like Rylai, Lion, Warlock, Dazzle, Ezalor or Dark Seer. Heroes whose skills don't scale all that well in the late game, so building them with items is a bit of a waste. Warding/courier being a better use of their gold, well that and minimal farming, carries need that more. The thing I needed to work the most on (still do I guess), would be ganking, I always play a little too passive, liking the 50 min games. :p
50 minute games are horrible if you have a support hero. After 20 minutes there's nothing to do other than maybe push one lane for a bit :P
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Re: Defense of The Ancients...
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2011, 10:36:28 PM »
Well one hero that is very hard to kill when late game is probably tinker... why?... Due to the fact that when you get your preferred item for nuking along with the Ultimate skill of refreshing cooldowns, you get an insane overpower and mobility.... LOL... I never used Tinker BTW, that's a fact...
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