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Stsin:
Statistics about what? That other MMO's have failed? So?
Let's look at your choice of examples: Age of Conan and Warhammer online (don't know much about the niche Matrix online). Thought everyone knew that they destroyed themselves. They were failures without WoW's influence. Released way before being ready. Now look at how long SWTOR has been in development. And we still don't know when it's going to be released. Some are hoping that it will be as early as September. Fat chance. They just shut down the beta servers for 2-3 weeks, to make more major changes to the servers and game. That when the next beta arrives, will require re-downloading of the whole client 38gigs+. That they are still doing major changes, even though some think it's almost ready as is; shows that Bioware is holding strong on not releasing the game till they want, even with the huge huge pressure from EA. IMO, I see it coming out in late Nov as the earliest.
It's obvious that nothing is going to destroy WoW soon with it's 11 million base. Even though it's population has been in decline, lower than WoTLK. It's just that every MMO thread has someone spouting that "this is no WoW killer", without anyone mentioning it.
This was prominent in Rift threads. "bla bla this is not going to destroy WoW." And if just mentioned it in WoW forums, it would be quickly deleted, unless it was bashing Rift...with the many, "This is not going to destroy WoW." replies. I guess it's a pet peeve of mine. Though they did quite well for being a clone, eh?
As for Star Wars Galaxy, Sony is shutting it down due to the upcoming SWTOR release. I wonder where they will be going? I doubt it's going to be WoW ;)
Well, as mentioned earlier, I'm not particularly hyped on SWTOR. It's trying something new with friends that had me preorder it. But there is no doubt that it will be successful at launch. The hype alone is ridiculous. A good start is a given, though no one really knows how well it fare 6 months after. It's a waste of time trying to forecast it before release.
TMRNetShark:
--- Quote from: vicious796 on July 22, 2011, 12:25:17 PM ---I really want you guys who are screaming about its potential success to reread what you're writing. Most of your posts talk about the bored WoW playerbase - guys that want something fresh and new and that SWTOR looks like it's going to be the one. Now, I want you to remember these titles:
Warhammer Online
Aion
LOTRO
FFXI
FFXIV
Rift
Of those, Rift and Aion are actually fairly successful in the MMO market. I'm only going to say this once because it's the honest truth:
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Warhammer Online (fantasy based like WoW)
Aion (fantasy based like WoW)
LOTRO (fantasy based like WoW)
FFXI (fantasy based like WoW)
FFXIV (fantasy based like WoW)
Rift (fantasy based like WoW)
Yet you failed to mention an MMO that's different than WoW yet it's still a relatively popular niche game: Eve Online. It's not fantasy based, and yet it still has people who are paying $15 a month for YEARS like WoW. I'm not saying EVERYONE from WoW will play it, but SWTOR can definitely have the potential to eat into WoW's percent of the market share.
--- Quote from: vicious796 on July 22, 2011, 12:25:17 PM ---The only WoW killer is WoW itself.
WoW is an anomaly. No MMO has ever seen its success, ever, and no other MMO likely ever will. It's huge beyond belief and insanely profitable because of it. Rift has been a success if you compare its subscribers to its true competitors. Aion was a success in the same regard.
Now, I don't look at SWTOR pessimistically because I know it won't destroy WoW or come anywhere close to its subscriber base. I don't even look at SWTOR pessimistically because I know it will have glitches and bugs like every single major MMO that has ever been released, ever and that because of these glitches and bugs at launch, at least 25% of the preorder players will drop the game immediately and go back to WoW. I don't look at it pessimistically because at least half of the WoW players who try and switch will think back on the 4 years or so they dedicated to their character(s) in WoW and will go back to WoW after a month not wanting all that work to go to waste.
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I lol'ed semi-hard at this part. Let's look at this page for a second, close to 4 million characters that are made on all WoW servers combined, right? Now you might say that "Oh! That addon only sees how many people are on at the time that the addon is run." True... so lets double that number to 8 million characters on WoW... sound reasonable? Guess what? How many characters did YOU have across all the servers you played on (this is a question aimed at everyone). You didn't just have one character... you had one main and AT LEAST one other toon (if not many more at various levels). So the true number of people who are still playing WoW would probably be in the 2 million to 3 million mark around the world (not this stupid 12 million subscribers... maybe since 2004... but not active subscribers). "That still makes it the most popular MMO game to date and all those other MMO's failed!" Yeah, from what I stated above... WoW did the best fantasy style MMO game on the market... yet it didn't affect how many people went to Eve Online and continued to play there.
Now remember that 12 million subscribers that Blizz claims? The rest of those ~8 million past subscribers are familiar with how to play an MMO, yet there is a new AAA MMO that for once... isn't fantasy based and has a solid IP. Am I saying that WoW will be defeated entirely? No... Will SWTOR be the new WoW? I don't know... Will there be a lot of people who play the game? Judging by their forums and the amount of hardcore people have already pre-ordered, I would say yes (just wait until they start their TV ad campaign to see the total number of pre-orders).
--- Quote from: AceHigh on July 22, 2011, 02:35:11 PM ---Pessimistic?
Statistics are on my side. Games like Age of Conan, Warhammer online, Matrix online and oh, lets not forget Star Wars Galaxies ALL had very strong IPs. Can you imagine how many matrix fags were at the time of Matrix online release? Yet they all failed or are on the verge of failing.
So the argument about Star Wars fandom is invalid.
Also, I have seen the latest videos of the game, it looks like crap. I guess they used up all the budget on voice acting.
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Ah? Stats are on your side... I see.. I see. So Star War Galaxies went downhill because of NGE. NGE dumbed down the game for players because the majority of the sub base probably went to WoW since it had streamlined the gameplay and better implemented game mechanics. Matrix Online? Seriously? You are gonna compare the Matrix Online to SWTOR or even Galaxies? Galaxies at least SOLD 1 million copies... Matrix only barely sold 43,100 copies. Then again, SWTOR has 1.5 million people already signed up to try and get into Beta... but I guess that number is insignificant to you.
But once again, I forgot you just hate everything. :P
Supai:
--- Quote from: TMRNetShark on July 22, 2011, 03:40:00 PM ---But once again, I forgot you just hate everything. :P
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Well, you know what they say... Haters gonna hate. ;D
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: TMRNetShark on July 22, 2011, 03:40:00 PM ---Ah? Stats are on your side... I see.. I see. So Star War Galaxies went downhill because of NGE. NGE dumbed down the game for players because the majority of the sub base probably went to WoW since it had streamlined the gameplay and better implemented game mechanics.
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If you make a pathetic excuse at least get the facts right. It was CU that turned SWG into shit, NGE was just developers trying to troll their player base even further.
--- Quote ---Matrix Online? Seriously? You are gonna compare the Matrix Online to SWTOR or even Galaxies?
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take a look at this:
--- Quote ---ALL had very strong IPs
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As always, your reading comprehension fails.
TMRNetShark:
--- Quote from: AceHigh on July 22, 2011, 04:13:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: TMRNetShark on July 22, 2011, 03:40:00 PM ---Ah? Stats are on your side... I see.. I see. So Star War Galaxies went downhill because of NGE. NGE dumbed down the game for players because the majority of the sub base probably went to WoW since it had streamlined the gameplay and better implemented game mechanics.
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If you make a pathetic excuse at least get the facts right. It was CU that turned SWG into shit, NGE was just developers trying to troll their player base even further.
--- Quote ---Matrix Online? Seriously? You are gonna compare the Matrix Online to SWTOR or even Galaxies?
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take a look at this:
--- Quote ---ALL had very strong IPs
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As always, your reading comprehension fails.
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As always... you think you are always right. You said "Stats are on my side." I gave you stats that disproved your thought train. Once again, trolling failed. The Matrix was a good movie... the other two kinda not so much. Even Age of Conan and Warhammer did not even have strong IPs that Warcraft had (or Starcraft for that matter). Galaxies was the only game that had Star Wars sized IP behind it... but then MMO's like Rift and Aion were successful in their own right with no prior IP... so IP means nothing in a game.
Swing and a miss. Wanna try again?
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