Thundercats - Yes, Them Again...

[arknorth]

There was a post asking this about 2 years ago (from what I see via search), which seems to have died an unglorius death after 5 posts.  We'll try again here...

Seeing that the new American/Japanese production of the rebooted Thundercats will be dropped on us (c/o Cartoon Network here in the States) in September, and the fact that BakaBT does already have other Pacific Arts/Topcraft productions posted here (The Hobbit, The Return of the King, Nausicaa, Horus - Prince of the Sun... huh?  I'm gonna have to watch that one...), AND it is not without presidence that other American/Japanese series are also on here (Transformers G1, The Big O Series 2, Mighty Orbots...), the question arises once again...

Is anyone interested in, or would allow, BakaBt to have a copy of the Original Thundercats available?

I do have a copy I DL'd a while back, while others have noted that they actually have the DVDs.

Yay, or Nay?

A-N

[Arc-sama]

Sadly no ... Thundercats though having a Japanese Production ... is made for an American audience.

The Hobbit, Return of the King and Transformers G1 were added to BBT before the current rules.  The remaining title you have mentioned in your post were made for a Japanese audience as well as the sequels to the G1 Transformers.

[Xtras]

Yeah, earlier (after that post only I think) Thundercats was offered and after a long time in the offers page (even by BBT standards), and many arguments, I believe one of the admins just went ahead and decided no. Have to draw the line somewhere I guess.

[Cuan]

Sadly no ... Thundercats though having a Japanese Production ... is made for an American audience.

The Hobbit, Return of the King and Transformers G1 were added to BBT before the current rules.  The remaining title you have mentioned in your post were made for a Japanese audience as well as the sequels to the G1 Transformers.

I've never seen such a clear definition based on intended audience in the rules here. That would be aniDB's reasoning, and it doesn't make much sense if you look at specific examples. It may be somewhat of a common practice, but the only documented rule I've seen was

We only accept complete, Anime/manga-related Series/Movies/OVAs/printed materials. We also allow Live Action adaptations (of anime/manga and related games/eroge/visual novels).

The definition of anime is quite contentious, but if you include the audience, you'll get into trouble with projects like Animatrix or Halo Legends, which has like… millions of fans in America and Europe and some thousands in Japan. Does this also exclude an English dub of Robotech per se? ThunderCats 2011 will also be debatable, being animated by Studio 4°C.

And if you go by country of production, I don't see how Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within could stand the test. Most of the production took place in Hawaii. You have two Japanese directors and a half Japanese production and production management crew. But you'll read almost only Western names in the cast as well as the writing, art, sound, visual effects, animation, editorial and music department. Special effects are another, single exception. It doesn't even have that "Japanese" animation style, but tries to look realistic. I don't get how this is considered an anime (by any of the more exclusive standards), or even an Eastern film by sites like ADC. Additionally, it fails the primary audience criterion by premiering in Japan two months after the US release.

Ah yes, there's also http://bakabt.me/153338-technotise-edit-i.html here.
(In short: You should accept ThunderCats. Also The Last Unicorn. And My Little Pony :O)

[Soryon]

Sadly no ... Thundercats though having a Japanese Production ... is made for an American audience.

The Hobbit, Return of the King and Transformers G1 were added to BBT before the current rules.  The remaining title you have mentioned in your post were made for a Japanese audience as well as the sequels to the G1 Transformers.

I've never seen such a clear definition based on intended audience in the rules here. That would be aniDB's reasoning, and it doesn't make much sense if you look at specific examples. It may be somewhat of a common practice, but the only documented rule I've seen was

I think making exceptions/bending the rules might result in something like having Avatar on here, followed by anything that seems vaguely anime-ish.
I understand how this might be sorta "grey area" but IMO its best to not have things like thundercats here (even tho I had a nostalgiagasm when I read the words.

[Arc-sama]

Made for Japanese audience ... as in show & released in Japan first (like the majority of the offers here on BBT are).  There are exception like the linked Technotise, where it's influence by Japanese style of animation or storytelling. As well as both the Animatrix & Halo (Western franchises) both produced by Japanese Studios.

Spirits Within, was done by the Hawaii office of Squaresoft ... IIRC ~ It was actually done to break into the western movie making market and sadly since it flopped Squaresoft closed the Hawaii office.  (and hasn't been the same company since then)

For Thundercats it will still probably be a no ... since the connection isn't strong enough.  I believe Last Unicorn had the same problems.  Don't remember anyone offering My Little Pony.

[Cuan]

Made for Japanese audience ... as in show & released in Japan first (like the majority of the offers here on BBT are).

Naturally, most Japanese animation is produced for the domestic market. But that doesn't have to be (and IMO shouldn't be) the limiting criterion. I guess the different mods won't have a unified opinion or are indifferent towards edgier cases. The Last Unicorn was rejected this spring, although stuff like The Spirits Within is probably more questionable as Japanese/Eastern (-influenced) animation.

I'd like you to be more inclusionist. 

Don't remember anyone offering My Little Pony.

That part was a joke.

Still, wouldn't mind seeing a Friendship is Magic offer here.

[Arc-sama]

You forget that Final Fantasy has other series ... Legend of the Crystals (1994) & Unlimited (2001) ... not to mention Advent Children, Last Order, On The Way To A Smile Denzel which were made after Spirits Within. 

Note: I didn't go into Robotech cos that would open a whole other can of stuff.  Personally I would have liked to seen Last Unicorn on BBT ... and why does everyone forget about Silver Hawks.

[arknorth]

Thanks for the replies folks (Sorry for the late return to the subject - been out of power for the last three days in THIS heat!  Yay...)

Yea, I can understand it all.  It was a 'just wondering' sort of question.  And as for the new series, I doubt it would pass muster here either if BBT sticks to the rules - the new series is definitely being made for the American market (complete with Bug Bunny WB logo at the top of each episode).

A-N