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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2011, 04:38:07 PM »
Why good suggestions its a sloppy solution to keep plugging and unplugging your laptop every time you want to watch something. A stand alone system is more pleasing on the eyes and ease of use for some people even more so if there is a WAF that needs to be there.

Hmm, maybe I used the word 'best' too loosely. He didn't seem like he was willing to dedicate a PC to his TV, so a relatively powerful laptop with a dedicated graphics card will work.

Personally, I have a custom-built PC dedicated to a TV. When I own my own house, I'm planning on wiring my home network to a server.

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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2011, 10:06:06 PM »
Hey all,

I've been using a WDTV player for a while to play anime on my TV. However, as you all probably know, subtitles are not rendered properly on these. So I want to get some other kind of thing to play the files correctly. What options are available? Whatever it is, it needs to be able to play a variety of file types at different resolutions and preferably be easily portable.

Cheers!
Glitch

What's the version of your WDTV player?

http://wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=330
This one claims it could play all sorts including subs. How's the PQ of WDTV compared with a dual-core computer?
I am aiming for the same. AMD fusion ITX is quite expensive right now.

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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2011, 04:17:10 AM »
Recently I was cruising a local electronics retailer. (not best buy, but a Canadian equivalent)

An HP desktop was retailing at $399 (add 5% GST and probably another 20 bucks or so enviro fee)

3.3 GHz dual core (NOT C2D)
2GB ram (I think)
1 TB HDD (dunno if it's a single drive or Raid0 2x500GB)
Built in wifi
dedicated graphics (I think)

It would make a pretty decent HTPC performance wise and pricewise. Hell of a lot better money spent than a netbook or crappy laptop IMO.

Man... HP products are dropping in cost like nuts. Which is illogical. (Though my dad thinks it's a way for HP to really build up some fast cash so that they can buy out some software companies) But prices like these are really beginning to push some very decent PCs into the rage of cheap and good HTPCs. Some of these crazy price reductions are really putting some prebuilts into competition pricewise with DIYs.

I understand some of us are hardcore "NEVER BUY PREBUILTS", but I merely throw this out there as an option for the computards who can't determine the difference between a DVD rom and ram. Which to some is like "it's 30 seconds of GIYF". Consider this. How many people perceive driving as 2 pedals, gas, brake and steering wheel? How many people drive like morons?

The above is Canadian pricing. I expect a lower price for the US.
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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2011, 04:35:42 AM »


What's the version of your WDTV player?

http://wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=330
This one claims it could play all sorts including subs. How's the PQ of WDTV compared with a dual-core computer?
I am aiming for the same. AMD fusion ITX is quite expensive right now.



WDtv has sub par softsub support you are better off going with dune or popcorn hour if you want that kind of playback. PQ on hidef is amazing, SD up scaling is meh could be better but who uses SD anymore

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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2011, 04:38:29 AM »
fohfoh
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thats probably a pentium, E6800 most likely. at that price, the drives wouldn't be in raid.

Edit: if you could buy from newegg, they too have pre-builts. well not exactly pre-built, you`d usually assemble them yourself.

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[345$]Pentium G840/H61 HTPC Supercombo
[374$]Phenom II X6/880G/4GB/1.5TB SuperCombo
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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2011, 07:07:04 AM »
Oh hohoho lots of replies I never noticed. Sorry people~

I'm probably going to get Lenovo laptop with...
Intel Core i7-2620M Processor (2.70GHz, 4M Cache with Turbo Boost up to 3.40GHz)
15.6" HD (1366x768) LED Backlit Display, Anti-Glare, Midnight Black
AMD Radeon HD 6630M (1GB VRAM, 128-bit GPU, switchable)
8 GB PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM 1333MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
750GB Hard Disk Drive, 5400rpm
9 Cell 2.2Ah Li-Ion Battery

That should do the trick. Only costs $1000 Aussie dollars too.
What do you guys think? The negatives is that its not full HD (bawww!) and no USB 3.0 (meh)

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« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2011, 07:43:00 PM »
If this is supposed to be a home media player solution, that is a ridiculously overpowered system. An older Core 2 Duo and cheap graphics card would be sufficient for media playing. I would bump it up to at least a newer Core 2 Duo (45nm era) or Pentium/i3 though, to "future-proof" it.

To comment on your comments and specs in general...
1. "Full HD" (1080p and above) laptop screens are rare, not to mention expensive. Personally, the best I've seen is 1600x900, I believe, on 17" screens.
2. Even though your laptop screen is not 1080p, when you hook up to a monitor/TV with the capability to play 1080p stuff, you will be outputting at 1080p (with the right settings).
3. No USB 3.0 is a definite negative, especially for a laptop like this, which looks like it could easily last 6-7+ years.
4. See if you can decrease that disk size to lower the price. Then, when you receive it, just remove the drive altogether and replace it with a 7200RPM or SSD and clone the disk over. A 5400RPM drive is grossly insufficient for that system. I wouldn't recommend going with their SSD if they offer one, as you won't know what kind of piece of shit it might be.
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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2011, 03:43:12 AM »
Hey all,

I've been using a WDTV player for a while to play anime on my TV. However, as you all probably know, subtitles are not rendered properly on these. So I want to get some other kind of thing to play the files correctly. What options are available? Whatever it is, it needs to be able to play a variety of file types at different resolutions and preferably be easily portable.

Cheers!
Glitch

What's the version of your WDTV player?

http://wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=330
This one claims it could play all sorts including subs. How's the PQ of WDTV compared with a dual-core computer?
I am aiming for the same. AMD fusion ITX is quite expensive right now.

If you plan on watching a lot of videos with subtitles, don't get that. It does display SRT, SSA, ASS subs etc but the font size and colour makes reading those subs very taxing. It will only render subs in plain white, no borders. And on large TV's the subs are too small, even on the largest setting. White text + small font = Unreadable subs half the time.

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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2011, 03:52:04 AM »
If this is supposed to be a home media player solution, that is a ridiculously overpowered system. An older Core 2 Duo and cheap graphics card would be sufficient for media playing. I would bump it up to at least a newer Core 2 Duo (45nm era) or Pentium/i3 though, to "future-proof" it.

To comment on your comments and specs in general...
1. "Full HD" (1080p and above) laptop screens are rare, not to mention expensive. Personally, the best I've seen is 1600x900, I believe, on 17" screens.
2. Even though your laptop screen is not 1080p, when you hook up to a monitor/TV with the capability to play 1080p stuff, you will be outputting at 1080p (with the right settings).
3. No USB 3.0 is a definite negative, especially for a laptop like this, which looks like it could easily last 6-7+ years.
4. See if you can decrease that disk size to lower the price. Then, when you receive it, just remove the drive altogether and replace it with a 7200RPM or SSD and clone the disk over. A 5400RPM drive is grossly insufficient for that system. I wouldn't recommend going with their SSD if they offer one, as you won't know what kind of piece of shit it might be.

Thanks for your reply. Yea, I wanted to get a i7 so it can play 1080p Hi10P vids onto an external screen for 24 hours straight without the laptop blowing up/getting too hot or whatever. I'd be using it for general use too, of course (though, no games, I'm not a gamer)
1. I've seen a 1080p laptop for only $1250 (with my 10% student discount, of course) from Dell. It's got similar specs to the Lenovo laptop but 6GB RAM instead of 8. But, being a student, $250 more is a lot of money.
2. Yup, I know, but I would also be watching stuff on the laptop, as well as via my TV. Don't want to get a new laptop just so I can have a home media player. Also, my Access based anime database which I frequently use to record my collection and find info about what versions of anime I have what resolutions and formats, where I have stored it etc was designed for a 1080p screen and is annoying to use on a lower res.
3. I honestly do not care about having no USB 3.0. Most of my transferal is done via my gigabit Ethernet network. My laptop would probably not be storing anything itself, except for word docs etc. Even when watching animu, it would be reading the file from my main computer through the network, or when I'm on holiday through external hard drives that aren't USB 3.0 anyway.
4. I agree with this. However, if I want all the other specs, the disc size cannot be reduced for the Lenovo laptop.

On the point of downgrading the laptop's CPU, getting an i5 Thinkpad instead would only cost $50 less (with a much smaller screen bleh). I could go with another laptop company, I suppose, but Lenovo's prices are cheaper so I'd be paying the same or not much less for lower specs anyway.
But, if you do have any other suggestions for a suitable laptop please link me. Australia sites only please :)

Hey all,

I've been using a WDTV player for a while to play anime on my TV. However, as you all probably know, subtitles are not rendered properly on these. So I want to get some other kind of thing to play the files correctly. What options are available? Whatever it is, it needs to be able to play a variety of file types at different resolutions and preferably be easily portable.

Cheers!
Glitch

What's the version of your WDTV player?

http://wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=330
This one claims it could play all sorts including subs. How's the PQ of WDTV compared with a dual-core computer?
I am aiming for the same. AMD fusion ITX is quite expensive right now.

If you plan on watching a lot of videos with subtitles, don't get that. It does display SRT, SSA, ASS subs etc but the font size and colour makes reading those subs very taxing. It will only render subs in plain white, no borders. And on large TV's the subs are too small, even on the largest setting. White text + small font = Unreadable subs half the time.

Yo, I already said the WDTV was crap for subs in my original post. So, ya, not going to use one of those.

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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2011, 05:30:55 AM »
Interesting. I bet it's physically heavier and the screen larger.

I have nothing to say about the Access database...

I do protest against your apathy to the lack of USB 3.0 though. For one, it's five times the speed of the LAN. And USB 3.0 externals are actually showing up now, though they have been slow to catch on, I'll give you that much. Comparing the price of a USB 2.0 to a USB 3.0 drive of the same size from the same brand yields a difference of about $10-20.

Well, you should probably take that drive out anyway. Dump it into an external enclosure and sell it or something after you clone it.

As for alternatives, since it's not just for home media playback, it's probably fine, even though it's still fairly overpowered for your purposes. But that's not really a bad thing, because you know it'll last longer that way. So no suggestions from me for alternatives.

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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2011, 07:15:55 PM »
If you plan on watching a lot of videos with subtitles, don't get that. It does display SRT, SSA, ASS subs etc but the font size and colour makes reading those subs very taxing. It will only render subs in plain white, no borders. And on large TV's the subs are too small, even on the largest setting. White text + small font = Unreadable subs half the time.

Hence why I said go with dune or PCH instead of wdtv both dune and pch run the updated sigma sdk which got a new ssa engine that a few pch users were helping get together. Here are a couple screenshots to show the progress we have made but they still also show some problems.

This one shows font is correct although thinner, and missing shadow and text starting off screen

pch


pc


Here is one rendered with color and position tags

pch


pc


But we are slowly making progress. Hopefully when the new chip line launches we will be able to make more progress on karaoke and things. If anime is 50%+ of your viewing material by all means go a pc you will be happier if you are like me and its maybe around 20% of my viewing material I can make do with not 100% accurate subs as it does not effect every rls/episode

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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2011, 11:56:32 PM »
Interesting. I bet it's physically heavier and the screen larger.

I have nothing to say about the Access database...

I do protest against your apathy to the lack of USB 3.0 though. For one, it's five times the speed of the LAN. And USB 3.0 externals are actually showing up now, though they have been slow to catch on, I'll give you that much. Comparing the price of a USB 2.0 to a USB 3.0 drive of the same size from the same brand yields a difference of about $10-20.

Well, you should probably take that drive out anyway. Dump it into an external enclosure and sell it or something after you clone it.

As for alternatives, since it's not just for home media playback, it's probably fine, even though it's still fairly overpowered for your purposes. But that's not really a bad thing, because you know it'll last longer that way. So no suggestions from me for alternatives.

Yep its 17 inch I believe and heavier.

Access is king.

I'm not going to spend, say $150, totaling $600, to replace my 4 2TB externals with USB 3.0 2TB externals. Maybe one day, but certainly not anytime soon, as they are only for back ups/watching animu when I'm on holiday. Even if I did need to transfer stuff between computers, it's less annoying to copypasta while sitting down than to plug in a usb, copy stuff, plug it in my laptop, and then pasta it there. Sure, when I need a new external, I'll get a USB 3.0, but it has no reason to be plugged into my laptop as I store nothing there. My main computer has a USB 3.0 port for that reason. I can see your point, but I really don't need it.

Not going to take out the drive even if I don't need that much space. I know it's in a little compartment, but still the idea of opening up my laptop makes me very nervous.

Thanks for all your help :P

If you plan on watching a lot of videos with subtitles, don't get that. It does display SRT, SSA, ASS subs etc but the font size and colour makes reading those subs very taxing. It will only render subs in plain white, no borders. And on large TV's the subs are too small, even on the largest setting. White text + small font = Unreadable subs half the time.

Hence why I said go with dune or PCH instead of wdtv both dune and pch run the updated sigma sdk which got a new ssa engine that a few pch users were helping get together. Here are a couple screenshots to show the progress we have made but they still also show some problems.

This one shows font is correct although thinner, and missing shadow and text starting off screen

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Here is one rendered with color and position tags

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But we are slowly making progress. Hopefully when the new chip line launches we will be able to make more progress on karaoke and things. If anime is 50%+ of your viewing material by all means go a pc you will be happier if you are like me and its maybe around 20% of my viewing material I can make do with not 100% accurate subs as it does not effect every rls/episode

Looks pretty good. Does it do Hi10P? But, since anime is 100% of my viewing, a laptop would probably be better :)

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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2011, 12:41:47 AM »

Looks pretty good. Does it do Hi10P? But, since anime is 100% of my viewing, a laptop would probably be better :)

Right now it doesn't do hi10p it should be able to support it I have messages into all my sources but its IFA right now so a lot of people are busy

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« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2011, 05:21:25 AM »
Access is king.

Get a real SQL database. =)

I'm not going to spend, say $150, totaling $600, to replace my 4 2TB externals with USB 3.0 2TB externals. Maybe one day, but certainly not anytime soon, as they are only for back ups/watching animu when I'm on holiday. Even if I did need to transfer stuff between computers, it's less annoying to copypasta while sitting down than to plug in a usb, copy stuff, plug it in my laptop, and then pasta it there. Sure, when I need a new external, I'll get a USB 3.0, but it has no reason to be plugged into my laptop as I store nothing there. My main computer has a USB 3.0 port for that reason. I can see your point, but I really don't need it.

I wasn't telling you to replace them. My point was that USB 3.0 support makes your system more "future-proof," so that if you ever end up purchasing something that uses USB 3.0, you would be able to use it to its full potential.

But hey, suit yourself.

Not going to take out the drive even if I don't need that much space. I know it's in a little compartment, but still the idea of opening up my laptop makes me very nervous.

There's a first for everything. And most people are nervous on their first attempt.

Thanks for all your help :P

Hah, I didn't even do anything. Just pointed some things, really.

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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2011, 06:25:00 AM »

Looks pretty good. Does it do Hi10P? But, since anime is 100% of my viewing, a laptop would probably be better :)

Right now it doesn't do hi10p it should be able to support it I have messages into all my sources but its IFA right now so a lot of people are busy

Which model of popcorn hour did you use for those screenshots couple posts back? Does it work like that out of the box? After a little digging, I can get the A-110, A-200, S-210 and C-200 over here. The specs look mostly the same +/- some internet features.

That looks promising, way better than the WD, Asus and AC ryan players I've been looking at. Is their firmware support good?

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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2011, 07:00:08 AM »

Which model of popcorn hour did you use for those screenshots couple posts back? Does it work like that out of the box? After a little digging, I can get the A-110, A-200, S-210 and C-200 over here. The specs look mostly the same +/- some internet features.

That looks promising, way better than the WD, Asus and AC ryan players I've been looking at. Is their firmware support good?


Yes out of the box. That is what you would see using the c200,A200,A210, Firmware support is great. A200/A210 is same unit one is just a metal case other is plastic with a fan, The new popbox v8 that was announced at IFA should look the same to but I cant be for sure yet till i get my hands on one it would be the cheapest solution at 139 euro.   Dont get the A110 its almost 4 years old now. And the S110 is used for digital signage not home use

Even though they all run the same sigma chip the WD/AC ryan the trick is all in the version of the sdk they use. AC and WD never moved to the newer sdk which contained the newer ASS/SSA engine
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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2011, 08:16:04 AM »
Access is king.

Get a real SQL database. =)

I'm not going to spend, say $150, totaling $600, to replace my 4 2TB externals with USB 3.0 2TB externals. Maybe one day, but certainly not anytime soon, as they are only for back ups/watching animu when I'm on holiday. Even if I did need to transfer stuff between computers, it's less annoying to copypasta while sitting down than to plug in a usb, copy stuff, plug it in my laptop, and then pasta it there. Sure, when I need a new external, I'll get a USB 3.0, but it has no reason to be plugged into my laptop as I store nothing there. My main computer has a USB 3.0 port for that reason. I can see your point, but I really don't need it.

I wasn't telling you to replace them. My point was that USB 3.0 support makes your system more "future-proof," so that if you ever end up purchasing something that uses USB 3.0, you would be able to use it to its full potential.

But hey, suit yourself.

Not going to take out the drive even if I don't need that much space. I know it's in a little compartment, but still the idea of opening up my laptop makes me very nervous.

There's a first for everything. And most people are nervous on their first attempt.

Thanks for all your help :P

Hah, I didn't even do anything. Just pointed some things, really.

Haha. Maybe I would get a proper SQL database if it was for more than just me. I already have to go through over 2000 entries and get video details and anime information, put keywords, links to AniDB.... etc. It'll already be months more before I get it up to date >_> Don't want to start using a more complicated database structure to make things even more difficult for myself. I don't want to do that fancy ASP making it load on a webpage stuff with it either. Well, I'd like too, it would make it a lot more searchable. But I only know a little Javascript and VBScript and it's too hard to learn more~

Yea -_-' With the HDD thing, my current laptop's compartment was starting to become really loose. I was so nervous about even tightening the screws on it that I just masking taped it on. But, hey, it fixed the problem ^o^

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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2011, 03:48:05 PM »

Which model of popcorn hour did you use for those screenshots couple posts back? Does it work like that out of the box? After a little digging, I can get the A-110, A-200, S-210 and C-200 over here. The specs look mostly the same +/- some internet features.

That looks promising, way better than the WD, Asus and AC ryan players I've been looking at. Is their firmware support good?


Yes out of the box. That is what you would see using the c200,A200,A210, Firmware support is great. A200/A210 is same unit one is just a metal case other is plastic with a fan, The new popbox v8 that was announced at IFA should look the same to but I cant be for sure yet till i get my hands on one it would be the cheapest solution at 139 euro.   Dont get the A110 its almost 4 years old now. And the S110 is used for digital signage not home use

Even though they all run the same sigma chip the WD/AC ryan the trick is all in the version of the sdk they use. AC and WD never moved to the newer sdk which contained the newer ASS/SSA engine

Thanks for the info mate. Much appreciated.  ;D

Now to hunt down a set so I can test some clips.

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Re: Home Media Player Solutions
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