Author Topic: Skyrim DLC to be 360 exclusive (Read 3405 times)

TMRNetShark · « **Reply #20 on:** August 27, 2011, 06:12:27 PM »

Quote from: AceHigh on August 27, 2011, 05:57:23 PM

Way to shit on your community and fans, Bethesda. No, don't mind the fact that it is the PC mod community that fixes your half finished crap into a playable game, then you just rip off the mods that made the previous game good and somehow still manage to fuck when the next game released.

I honestly don't know if I will bother even to waste my bandwith on pirating Skyrim, I probably won't as there are games coming out that are actually good enough to pay for.

The new game engine looks good.... for 2005, but when you look at the gameplay videos of Skyrim today, do some of you have a feeling that this is how Oblivion should have looked like?

No, we get shit on a lot... this is why other developers that aren't buying into one company or another are actually doing better in the eyes of the fans. Lately, I've really enjoyed games like Catherine and Deus Ex... but they aren't from really popular developers. But yes, Skyrim's graphics are what I expected from Oblivion (at least the PS3 version since it came out 2 years after the Xbox/PC version). They've been running Xbox 360 footage on show floors and such, so I'm guessing that the PS3 version will be comparable if not worse.

Quote from: AceHigh on August 27, 2011, 05:57:23 PM

Also, console players: don't you want your product to go smoothly on your console? After all we PC players can just get a monster hardware, but you folks have to do with the 5 year old hardware. Don't you think it is a game developer's responsibility to make a game that works smoothly on the consoles. From what I hear, Fallout games were not a good example of that (at least on Xbox). Then again do you know why Bethesda games have lag on consoles? Because they don't have this guy.

I wonder how bad the game will be at the release. After all Bethesda's quality control is non-existent. It will take a month for them to fix all the bugs in vanilla games and another month for each DLC, so if Xbox players feel like playing exclusive beta, then go ahead.

/rant

Fallout on the PS3 (both 3/NV) run fine for me, as if I was running the game on a medium level gaming rig. Honestly, it's all up to the random game freezes that can either happen 20 minutes into playing the game OR you can play the game for 5 hours and not see a single freeze. John Carmack on the other hand is a God in my book. I cannot WAIT for Rage because that guy will have the game running at 60 fps... with a game that's as BIG as Fallout if not bigger.

AceHigh · « **Reply #21 on:** August 27, 2011, 07:22:33 PM »

Quote from: TMRNetShark on August 27, 2011, 06:12:27 PM

No, we get shit on a lot... this is why other developers that aren't buying into one company or another are actually doing better in the eyes of the fans. Lately, I've really enjoyed games like Catherine and Deus Ex... but they aren't from really popular developers.

True, but did you get the feeling that some games have huge mod scenes? As an example, Final Fantasy games have a huge fanbase, but probably close to no modder scene and that is fine. They are pumping out new games so often that they are on two digit numbers now.

However there are games like Homeworld 2, Half Life, TES games, Battlefield games, etc... that are thriving and even profiting from a huge modder scene. Imagine if Valve told us: "Hey, we will release new version of Counter Strike, but guys using this console will get it first". Or if after many years Homeworld 3 is released and the developer makes it an exclusive for a console while taking the best parts from various HW2 mods.

Before people claim that Bethesda does not use mods content on their next game:
Morrowind Poisons Mod (poisons can be crafted in vanilla Oblivion)
Pegas Horse Ranch (Oblivion had horses)
Fallout 3 weapon mods... mod (New Vegas has that feature in vanilla)

and there are many many more examples. So my point is: when even console players are benefiting from PC mod scene, then why is Bethesda shitting all over the PC gamers by making exclusives like that? No offence PS3 gamers, you can be pissed about xbox exclusive, but in all honesty it is a bigger punch in the face for the modders.

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They've been running Xbox 360 footage on show floors and such, so I'm guessing that the PS3 version will be comparable if not worse.

If I know Bethesda right, they will make it the same for all consoles and PC just because they are lazy.

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Fallout on the PS3 (both 3/NV) run fine for me, as if I was running the game on a medium level gaming rig. Honestly, it's all up to the random game freezes that can either happen 20 minutes into playing the game OR you can play the game for 5 hours and not see a single freeze.

It seems to be a problem on xbox when you fast travel a lot and finally fast travel to a texture intense area.

TMRNetShark · « **Reply #22 on:** August 27, 2011, 07:36:35 PM »

Quote from: AceHigh on August 27, 2011, 07:22:33 PM

No offence PS3 gamers, you can be pissed about xbox exclusive, but in all honesty it is a bigger punch in the face for the modders.

I agree, a PC version of a game should be the first priority... but then again... the gaming industry is a business and it's harder to pirate a game on cnosoles...

Takeshi · « **Reply #23 on:** August 27, 2011, 08:26:53 PM »

Quote from: TMRNetShark on August 26, 2011, 02:53:26 PM

That's besides the point though... so how to PC/PS3 users feel about this?

Honestly, I prefer a delayed release to a "never-coming" release. Some DLC for Transformers: War for Cybertron never arrived for the PC version for example. Though won't promise not to rant if a delayed DLC for Batman Arkham City is announced.

I'm more annoyed by all the pre-order crap deals. "Pre-order here and get bla-bla-bla!" Whatever happened to just releasing the damn game and then let stuff like that be unlockable to players?

TMRNetShark · « **Reply #24 on:** August 27, 2011, 08:47:47 PM »

Quote from: Takeshi on August 27, 2011, 08:26:53 PM

Quote from: TMRNetShark on August 26, 2011, 02:53:26 PM
That's besides the point though... so how to PC/PS3 users feel about this?
Honestly, I prefer a delayed release to a "never-coming" release. Some DLC for Transformers: War for Cybertron never arrived for the PC version for example. Though won't promise not to rant if a delayed DLC for Batman Arkham City is announced.

I'm more annoyed by all the pre-order crap deals. "Pre-order here and get bla-bla-bla!" Whatever happened to just releasing the damn game and then let stuff like that be unlockable to players?

Like the LA Noire cases? That was annoying, I agree. It's hard to tell if content that they make is already in the game and is just unlocked by the code or if it's actually "new" content. In the case of id Software, they are completely done with RAGE. The thing is, they developer is already working on the DLC even though the game is in the process of going gold.

Bloodfox · « **Reply #25 on:** August 27, 2011, 09:00:38 PM »

I was planning on waiting for the inevitable GOTY Edition, so it doesn't affect me.

AceHigh · « **Reply #26 on:** August 27, 2011, 09:05:23 PM »

Quote from: Bloodfox on August 27, 2011, 09:00:38 PM

I was planning on waiting for the inevitable GOTY Edition, so it doesn't affect me.

+ an overhauling mod pack before I even touch the stuff.

TMRNetShark · « **Reply #27 on:** August 27, 2011, 09:28:12 PM »

Quote from: AceHigh on August 27, 2011, 09:05:23 PM

Quote from: Bloodfox on August 27, 2011, 09:00:38 PM
I was planning on waiting for the inevitable GOTY Edition, so it doesn't affect me.

+ an overhauling mod pack before I even touch the stuff.

Ace, come on... you know that there will be a mod that will fix all the bugs that will be in the game. I just don't understand why they announce a game well before it should be done. Fallout 3 definitely came out before it should have... but NV was done by a completely different studio and was a lot more stable than 3. Bethesda should just make the game BUG free (or as bug free as they can) because honestly... I know I'm not gonna be able to mod the game to fix the bugs once I get it on PS3. Hell, I'm getting a new PC in November/December anyways, I might as well pick it up for PC.

krumm · « **Reply #28 on:** August 27, 2011, 10:19:36 PM »

Lately I've been having more fun with indie games. The big publishers seem to like to piss on PC gamers lately. Less games support mods and then try to sell you dlc that was free in past games.

TMRNetShark · « **Reply #29 on:** August 27, 2011, 10:30:43 PM »

Quote from: krumm on August 27, 2011, 10:19:36 PM

Lately I've been having more fun with indie games. The big publishers seem to like to piss on PC gamers lately. Less games support mods and then try to sell you dlc that was free in past games.

Yes, Minecraft has been a god send to PC players. There are mods out the ass in that game... sadly... it USE to be a PC exclusive, but now it will be on the Xbox 360. It'll probably be $20 too.

tomoya-kun · « **Reply #30 on:** August 28, 2011, 03:24:37 AM »

Quote from: TMRNetShark on August 27, 2011, 10:30:43 PM

Quote from: krumm on August 27, 2011, 10:19:36 PM
Lately I've been having more fun with indie games. The big publishers seem to like to piss on PC gamers lately. Less games support mods and then try to sell you dlc that was free in past games.

Yes, Minecraft has been a god send to PC players. There are mods out the ass in that game... sadly... it USE to be a PC exclusive, but now it will be on the Xbox 360. It'll probably be $20 too.

I truly hate that game! So lame.

AceHigh · « **Reply #31 on:** August 28, 2011, 03:52:18 AM »

Quote from: tomoya-kun on August 28, 2011, 03:24:37 AM

I truly hate that game! So lame.

What did it ever do to you? Molest you or something? Hate is such a strong word...

Although I like Minecraft, I found out that I can't play it too well, because I am not autistic enough to ever finish any epic projects.

Sosseres · « **Reply #32 on:** August 28, 2011, 03:55:53 AM »

Quote from: TMRNetShark on August 27, 2011, 08:47:47 PM

Quote from: Takeshi on August 27, 2011, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: TMRNetShark on August 26, 2011, 02:53:26 PM
That's besides the point though... so how to PC/PS3 users feel about this?
Honestly, I prefer a delayed release to a "never-coming" release. Some DLC for Transformers: War for Cybertron never arrived for the PC version for example. Though won't promise not to rant if a delayed DLC for Batman Arkham City is announced.

I'm more annoyed by all the pre-order crap deals. "Pre-order here and get bla-bla-bla!" Whatever happened to just releasing the damn game and then let stuff like that be unlockable to players?

Like the LA Noire cases? That was annoying, I agree. It's hard to tell if content that they make is already in the game and is just unlocked by the code or if it's actually "new" content. In the case of id Software, they are completely done with RAGE. The thing is, they developer is already working on the DLC even though the game is in the process of going gold.

If it is pretty much gold it means parts of the development team no longer has anything to do with the title. They would be more likely to cut content than to fix it at that point. Seems good sense to me to drop them on DLCs or a new project. Which means the first DLC will be done around the same time as the game is. Then they ramp down the team and move them to another title.

tomoya-kun · « **Reply #33 on:** August 28, 2011, 04:37:42 AM »

Quote from: AceHigh on August 28, 2011, 03:52:18 AM

Quote from: tomoya-kun on August 28, 2011, 03:24:37 AM
I truly hate that game! So lame.

What did it ever do to you? Molest you or something? Hate is such a strong word...

Although I like Minecraft, I found out that I can't play it too well, because I am not autistic enough to ever finish any epic projects.

it's just... kind of stupid? Like playing Halo 3 forge for hours and hours and hours.

If I want to build something, i'll do it in a 3d program

Supai · « **Reply #34 on:** August 28, 2011, 11:00:57 AM »

Quote from: tomoya-kun on August 28, 2011, 04:37:42 AM

it's just... kind of stupid? Like playing Halo 3 forge for hours and hours and hours.

If I want to build something, i'll do it in a 3d program

Halo 3 forge is a map editor that is very limited (you can only add / move certain items and you cannot modify the terrain), a bad comparison.

And maybe some people like gathering materials and building epic things out of them in a game instead of a 3D program (by which you mean something like 3DMax, if I understood correct).

AceHigh · « **Reply #35 on:** August 28, 2011, 11:23:25 AM »

I think garry's mod is a good comparison to minecraft.

TMRNetShark · « **Reply #36 on:** August 28, 2011, 04:18:59 PM »

Quote from: AceHigh on August 28, 2011, 11:23:25 AM

I think garry's mod is a good comparison to minecraft.

Garry's Mod is a good comparison... except for that fact that there is no survival part to the game.

AceHigh · « **Reply #37 on:** August 28, 2011, 08:35:49 PM »

Oh, there is a survival element in that game. Trying to survive all the flying objects that travel at high speed because they somehow unstuck from your botched project. And in multiplayer? Shit.... the stuff is flying at 100kph all over the place.

TMRNetShark · « **Reply #38 on:** August 28, 2011, 08:58:40 PM »

Quote from: AceHigh on August 28, 2011, 08:35:49 PM

Oh, there is a survival element in that game. Trying to survive all the flying objects that travel at high speed because they somehow unstuck from your botched project. And in multiplayer? Shit.... the stuff is flying at 100kph all over the place.

Trying to build your projects with an Ant lion King running after you... that's survival!

AceHigh · « **Reply #39 on:** August 28, 2011, 09:32:18 PM »

Sounds like you have been playing around with Real Time Settler in F3.