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TMRNetShark:
--- Quote from: CodeMonkey on September 11, 2011, 03:00:31 AM ---You are clueless and repeating the same thing. I did not admit to anything, I said they are different mechanisms/functions that just have the same end result.
A rev limiter and a speed limiter are not the same thing, they are part of the same system and have the same results. Just because they are both programmed into the same Chip, does not make them the same thing. I explained their functionality very simply and if you still don't get it, I'm wasting my time. The ignorance is only on you.
If they are the "same" thing, why is it that you can remove the speed limiter, but can keep the red line rev limiter still present and active? Not the same thing, that's why. :P LOL!
What you keep calling the "same" thing is a HUGE system that controls everything from spark and valve timing timing to emission control and engine temp regulation, as well as everything in between. Things are not even close to your uneducated knowledge or your perception of them and your ignorance of car mechanics just makes me laugh.
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Lol. You are hopeless.
Rev Limiter = limits revs (under certain programmable conditions)
Governor = limits revs (under certain programmable conditions)
"they are part of the same system and have the same results"
Thank you for proving my point.
The reason you can remove a speed limiter is the same reason I can remove a rev limiter and blow up an engine or shoot a piston through the head... it's "programmable". ::)
And once again, you have not pointed out WHERE the rev limiter is on a non-computer controlled car that isn't the engine's governor. If you actually knew about cars, you could easily answer. Stop avoiding the question (because you know you are wrong/can't prove that I'm wrong). Stop making yourself look bad and admit that you are wrong. :)
CodeMonkey:
See now you see your fail and are twisting words.
It's a Rev Limiter/Governor and Speed Limiter/Governor we are talking here. Which further shows your ignorance, because a "Governor" is a generic term encompassing all of them.
You also seem to be illiterate, because you are also miss quoting me. I said they are part of the same "SYSTEM" (which you also keep saying) [A system=whole compounded of several parts or members], but are different components, having only the same end result.
I also said, just because they are part of the same system does NOT make them the same thing. By your cracked logic, having no fuel or having no spark is the same thing, since they are both part of the same system and have the same end result... FAIL much you do.
Oh yeah, LMAO, so everything that is "programmable" on a car is the "same" thing? WoW, really!? Man go to any Mech Engineering course or even any place that deals with cars professionally and please get yourself filmed when you get lynched for saying such a thing.
TMRNetShark:
--- Quote from: CodeMonkey on September 11, 2011, 03:27:54 AM ---See now you see your fail and are twisting words.
It's a Rev Limiter/Governor and Speed Limiter/Governor we are talking here. Which further shows your ignorance, because a "Governor" is a generic term encompassing all of them.
You also seem to be illiterate, because you are also miss quoting me. I said they are part of the same "SYSTEM" (which you also keep saying) [A system=whole compounded of several parts or members], but are different components, having only the same end result.
I also said, just because they are part of the same system does NOT make them the same thing. By your cracked logic, having no fuel or having no spark is the same thing, since they are both part of the same system and have the same end result... FAIL much you do.
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Still failing to mention where a rev limiter is on a non-computer controlled engine.... ::)
*I'm ignoring the rest of what you are saying because you don't know what you are talking about, thus isn't worth arguing*
CodeMonkey:
Holy FAIL Batman. I don't remember you asking that specifically, but just to prove your ignorance further... The most common Rev Limiter on any non-comp controlled engine is a Centrifugal Rev Limiter on the Distributor Shaft, but there are also shaft position/rotation sensors while on other makes/models there are Cam or Crank rotation sensors that serve this function, but the most trustworthy and used is/was the Centrifugal [you obviously don't know, so look it up]. While the Speed Limiter is controlled by a Speed or Top Gear Rev monitor on the Trans Valve Body. VERY DIFFERENT thingies chucky. LMAO!
You're going to "ignore me" because I've proven your ignorance and lack of knowledge repeatedly. I know you're automotively ignorant, but I hold no grudge. :)
*Don't talk what you obviously don't know.* ;)
TMRNetShark:
--- Quote from: CodeMonkey on September 11, 2011, 03:42:09 AM ---Holy FAIL Batman. I don't remember you asking that specifically, but just to prove your ignorance further... The Rev Limiter on any non-comp controlled engine is a Centrifugal Rev Limiter on the Distributor Shaft [you obviously don't know, so look it up]. While the Speed Limiter is controlled by a Speed or Top Gear Rev monitor on the Trans Valve Body. VERY DIFFERENT thingies chucky. LMAO!
You're going to "ignore me" because I've proven your ignorance and lack of knowledge repeatedly.
*Don't talk what you don't know. :)*
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Holy Fail on your part!
Centrifugal Rev Limiter
Speed Limiter
What do you see in both of those links? It says "Governor (device)", right? Well, let's look at that link!
Centrifugal (Governor):
--- Quote ---Centrifugal flyweight mechanism driven by the engine is linked to the throttle and works against a spring in a fashion similar to that of the pneumatic governor, resulting in essentially identical operation. A centrifugal governor is more complex to design and produce than a pneumatic governor. However, the centrifugal design is more sensitive to speed changes and hence is better suited to engines that experience large fluctuations in loading.
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"Top Gear monitor on Trans Valve Body":
--- Quote ---A Pneumatic governor mechanism senses air flow from the flywheel blower used to cool an air-cooled engine. The typical design includes an air vane mounted inside the engine's blower housing and linked to the carburetor's throttle shaft. A spring pulls the throttle open and as the engine gains speed, increased air flow from the blower forces the vane back against the spring, partially closing the throttle. Eventually a point of equilibrium will be reached and the engine will run at a relatively constant speed. Pneumatic governors are simple in design and inexpensive to produce. However, they do not regulate engine speed very accurately and are affected by air density, as well as external conditions that may influence airflow.
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What you just mentioned are two different designs of governors... not a "Rev limiter" and a "Speed Limiter" (because they are the same thing).
EDIT: On you are an idiot too, cause there is no such thing as a "Transmission Valve Body" on a manual transmission... just saying. So no, you are CLUELESS. :P
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