Illegal? Or just fun?

[TMRNetShark]

Dude just to humor you, it's the same engine with a different bore, as well as the LT1 having a more HP cam and better fuel delivery system as well as better ignition depending on specifics like what you wanted at the dealer, but here's the thing, all stock American cars from give or take 72-73 to the mid to late 90s SUCK ASS! This is due to 3 things, overlapped valve timing, EGR and Catalytics. Oh as well as choking the engine with single exhaust. Almost the exact same engine (American Small block V8) that were putting out 300HP in the 60s were putting out half or less after the introduction of the things I mentioned above. I mean Christ, just by swapping out single exhaust to dual gives you up to 20% more power AND miles to the gallon.

Oh I almost forgot, the LT1s also had a larger and better cooling jacket than the 305s, which was part of the design transferred over to the aluminum LSs from the mid or late 90s.
  

/sigh... you know nothing. You caught none of the trick questions...

1984 Z28 never sported an LT1 (or what you are confusing with is the LT-1). The 1984 Z28 Camaro sported a L69 while the regular Camaro indeed sported the 305. The LT1's didn't come about until 1992 and the LT-1's were ONLY used during 1970-1972.

So not only do you not know your engines, but you are a fool!

My work here is done.

[CodeMonkey]

Dude, don't be a jackass, I read it as 94 not 84, so you're just going out of your way to be a tool.
I'm done with your pathetic fail at e-peen and only knows cars from google.
By the way, go read the edit I made before your quote and post, because you obviously don't know engines. You said "LT1 350 and 305". There was never a production LT1 305 made, you can only do that yourself by putting an LT1 Cam in a 305.

Try not to wet yourself in the aforementioned puddle. Buh-bye. 

[TMRNetShark]

Dude, don't be a jackass, I read it as 94 not 84, so you're just going out of your way to be a tool.
I'm done with your pathetic fail at e-peen and only knows cars from google.
By the way, go read the edit I made before your quote and post, because you obviously don't know engines. You said "LT1 350 and 305". There was never a production LT1 305 made, you can only do that yourself by putting an LT1 Cam in a 305.

Try not to wet yourself in the aforementioned puddle. Buh-bye. 

1. Not my fault you "misread". That certainly didn't mean I "mistyped."
2. I said "the Chevy LT1 350 and the 305". Two different names for two different engines.
3. ANY (and I mean ANY) person who knew anything about Chevy's would know the difference between an LT-1 and an LT1. You just "pretended" you knew more, yet I laid the trap and you took the bait like a fool.

I love winning at cars.

[CodeMonkey]

Your ignorance is laughable. When was there mention of LT-1? Those were only in production for 2 years 70-72. 
We were talking about LT1s so whatever you have mixed up is your problem, I never said nor wrote LT-1 since there's a huge difference between LT-1 and LT1, but I noticed you like to lie and make up sentences that were never written.
You asked about the 94 Camaro LT1, but trying to be some tool you wrote 84. Sorry I'm not at your grade school level of "tricks" and I didn't catch that. LOL!
Finally though, nice cop out, anyone that knows engines would have written it "305 and LT1 350", because "LT1 350 and 305" automatically implies they are both LT1 classes, especially since it's not all that hard to make an LT1 305, but as I said, those were never production models and your question was in relation to those 2 engines, not just the LT-1 and LT1.
Honestly, I'm done with you, you have the mentality of some pathetic child an you obviously know nothing about cars. 

[TMRNetShark]

Your ignorance is laughable. When was there mention of LT-1? Those were only in production for 2 years 70-72. 
We were talking about LT1s so whatever you have mixed up is your problem, I never said nor wrote LT-1 since there's a huge difference between LT-1 and LT1, but I noticed you like to lie and make up sentences that were never written.
You asked about the 94 Camaro LT1, but trying to be some tool you wrote 84. Sorry I'm not at your grade school level of "tricks" and I didn't catch that. LOL!
Finally though, nice cop out, anyone that knows engines would have written it "305 and LT1 350", because "LT1 350 and 305" automatically implies they are both LT1 classes, especially since it's not all that hard to make an LT1 305, but as I said, those were never production models and your question was in relation to those 2 engines, not just the LT-1 and LT1.
Honestly, I'm done with you, you have the mentality of some pathetic child an you obviously know nothing about cars. 

Stop making excuses, you thought LT-1 and LT1 were the same year. I never asked about the 94 Camaro, wanna know why? The 305 was never in the 94 Camaro and featured the LT1 engine indeed. You "misread" and thus tripped up in what I was saying. So it's either you didn't know that the 84 Camaro did not have an LT1 (or what you were confusing with, the LT-1) or that you thought the 94 Camaro sported a 305 (which it never did). It's called a "trick" for a reason because you clearly don't know and are now making "excuses" for it...

"LT1 350 and 305" automatically implies they are both LT1 classes

There is no such thing as an LT1 (nor an LT-1) 305 engine, stop making up things and twisting my words.

those were never production models and your question was in relation to those 2 engines, not just the LT-1 and LT1.

I said 1984, I don't know where you got 1994 from. So by "tricking" you to see if you knew what that the difference was between an LT1 and an LT-1 was successful. How did would one know? I stated a 1984 Camaro with a 305 and the "fake" LT1 model and what was the same about the two... You said "It's the same engine but the LT1 has a bigger bore." But if you're too "proud" to admit that you couldn't spot the inconsistencies between LT-1 and LT1 (neither which were in the 1984 Camaro models), I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you "misread" 1994... but the "305 and the LT1" is what we are talking about. But wait, you said (while you were under the impression it was 1994's LT1 and the 305):

Dude just to humor you, it's the same engine with a different bore, as well as the LT1 having a more HP cam, which is what can make the 305 an LT1 and better fuel delivery system as well as better ignition depending on specifics like what you wanted at the dealer.

It's not the same engine. The same "engine" would have same parts for everything on the engine (not to be confused with interchangeable parts), right? Sadly for you, the Generation II LT1's (not to be confused with the LT-1's and the smaller engine black 305) had a different block with a different cylinder head along with a number of different accessory setups. This is non-sense though because anyone who owned a 1994 Camaro never had the option to have a 305... it was either the V6 model, or the LT1. So you failed and see the in inconsistency there!

Anyways, it was nice... but I'm sure you'll spend a good 3-4 sentences trying to discredit me and say "You've never worked on car before in your life!" Yeah yeah yeah... I heard the story. Anyways, I'm going to treat everyone to some nice pictures of my car club days (cause this got no where between you and me):

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OMG, There is my car on the right!


Look how pretty it is!


"You know when it's real!"

Don't believe that's me?:

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In said car.


With some car cleaning supplies


Washing said car.

[houkouonchi]

LOL at the rev limiter vs speed limiter argument. I have to say that a rev limiter and speed governor are two different things. AFAIK the rev limiter will shut off the flow of gasoline when you get past a certain RPM which is why near the limit you get that bad sound (its not just stable) and it is bad for the engine. AFAIK the speed governor does not do this.

Also to the guy who mentioned tires. Yes I am aware that quite a few tires are not rated for high speed. The tires on my car are Y speed rating.

[TMRNetShark]

LOL at the rev limiter vs speed limiter argument. I have to say that a rev limiter and speed governor are two different things. AFAIK the rev limiter will shut off the flow of gasoline when you get past a certain RPM which is why near the limit you get that bad sound (its not just stable) and it is bad for the engine. AFAIK the speed governor does not do this.

Also to the guy who mentioned tires. Yes I am aware that quite a few tires are not rated for high speed. The tires on my car are Y speed rating.

As long as you think you know what you are doing...

[Soryon]

Do whatever the fuck you want, but only on open roads. Dont fuck around when other people are trying to drive.

[TMRNetShark]

Do whatever the fuck you want, but only on open roads. Dont fuck around when other people are trying to drive normally.

Fixed... I wouldn't even suggest doing it all on public roads at all. There are too many factors for you to fuck up... and without doing it at a track, then you just run even a greater risk.

[metro.]

Do whatever the fuck you want, but only on open roads. Dont fuck around when other people are trying to drive normally.

Fixed... I wouldn't even suggest doing it all on public roads at all. There are too many factors for you to fuck up... and without doing it at a track, then you just run even a greater risk.

The only tracks here are ovals, that's just boring. However I do have to agree, it is safer and smarter.

[houkouonchi]

I would never race at a track simply because I am putting myself at risk of other people possibly hitting my car/causing an accident with no interaction from myself.

Insurance does not cover you at all (at least here in the U.S.) if your car gets fucked on the track. I have heard of people whos car got totaled when it was parked (totally not their fault) but insurance still wouldn't cover it. I wouldn't bitch about not being covered if say I fucked up my own car while at the track but if they aren't even gonna cover you if you get hit by someone else then why take the risk? At least even if you fuck up the car and it *is* your own fault on the open road you will at least be covered.

Granted its not everyday I go fast like that. I have only gotten that fast twice and gone over 100 MPH maybe 10 times and that was for very short periods of time (a second or two).

[TMRNetShark]

I would never race at a track simply because I am putting myself at risk of other people possibly hitting my car/causing an accident with no interaction from myself.

Insurance does not cover you at all (at least here in the U.S.) if your car gets fucked on the track. I have heard of people whos car got totaled when it was parked (totally not their fault) but insurance still wouldn't cover it. I wouldn't bitch about not being covered if say I fucked up my own car while at the track but if they aren't even gonna cover you if you get hit by someone else then why take the risk? At least even if you fuck up the car and it *is* your own fault on the open road you will at least be covered.

Granted its not everyday I go fast like that. I have only gotten that fast twice and gone over 100 MPH maybe 10 times and that was for very short periods of time (a second or two).

HAHA, WHat? You are not covered if the Police figure out you were speeding well past the speed limit. Then the insurance company will deny your claim.

[mgz]

I would never race at a track simply because I am putting myself at risk of other people possibly hitting my car/causing an accident with no interaction from myself.

Insurance does not cover you at all (at least here in the U.S.) if your car gets fucked on the track. I have heard of people whos car got totaled when it was parked (totally not their fault) but insurance still wouldn't cover it. I wouldn't bitch about not being covered if say I fucked up my own car while at the track but if they aren't even gonna cover you if you get hit by someone else then why take the risk? At least even if you fuck up the car and it *is* your own fault on the open road you will at least be covered.

Granted its not everyday I go fast like that. I have only gotten that fast twice and gone over 100 MPH maybe 10 times and that was for very short periods of time (a second or two).

HAHA, WHat? You are not covered if the Police figure out you were speeding well past the speed limit. Then the insurance company will deny your claim.

eh my insurance company doesnt give a shit if you were doing something illegal when it happens. Only thing that matters is at fault or not and whether you fucked it up in a way your coverage handles.

About the rev limiter and all that wonderful nonsense, if you dont comprehend the difference between a limiter placed on rpms vs speed governors your a damn fool tmr. I dont know or care exactly how or why the fuck they are in there but many cars have speed limiters on them completely seperate of the rpm limitations and its usually on vehicles that can easily exceed any and all legal speeds, and the whole tire bullshit is in there too.

Back to what i was saying referencing the speed limiter on my car, i know its at the 144 or 145 i dont remember which but thats the programed limit in there that i was reading about on forums.I dont know or care if there is a secondary limiter @ 155 nor do i really care. Im waiting till my warranty is over before i void it chipping the thing to exceed that. 

[TMRNetShark]

I would never race at a track simply because I am putting myself at risk of other people possibly hitting my car/causing an accident with no interaction from myself.

Insurance does not cover you at all (at least here in the U.S.) if your car gets fucked on the track. I have heard of people whos car got totaled when it was parked (totally not their fault) but insurance still wouldn't cover it. I wouldn't bitch about not being covered if say I fucked up my own car while at the track but if they aren't even gonna cover you if you get hit by someone else then why take the risk? At least even if you fuck up the car and it *is* your own fault on the open road you will at least be covered.

Granted its not everyday I go fast like that. I have only gotten that fast twice and gone over 100 MPH maybe 10 times and that was for very short periods of time (a second or two).

HAHA, WHat? You are not covered if the Police figure out you were speeding well past the speed limit. Then the insurance company will deny your claim.

eh my insurance company doesnt give a shit if you were doing something illegal when it happens. Only thing that matters is at fault or not and whether you fucked it up in a way your coverage handles.

About the rev limiter and all that wonderful nonsense, if you dont comprehend the difference between a limiter placed on rpms vs speed governors your a damn fool tmr. I dont know or care exactly how or why the fuck they are in there but many cars have speed limiters on them completely seperate of the rpm limitations and its usually on vehicles that can easily exceed any and all legal speeds, and the whole tire bullshit is in there too.

Back to what i was saying referencing the speed limiter on my car, i know its at the 144 or 145 i dont remember which but thats the programed limit in there that i was reading about on forums.I dont know or care if there is a secondary limiter @ 155 nor do i really care. Im waiting till my warranty is over before i void it chipping the thing to exceed that. 

And that's why you'll always be wrong... because you don't know.

I don't get why people are so thick about this. It's a simple question. The computer in a modern car controls the Revs so the engine doesn't blow up... but that same computer controls the Revs from exceeding a certain RPM in a certain gear. It's a unified system that controls everything from the fuel maps to the ignition timings all the way to error codes like a misfire. So it's not a different part, it's the same part and/or piece of hardware that controls all of those things. One might say, it's "two" separate things that do the same thing. How is that possible? It was never "two" separate pieces of hardware in non-computer controlled cars... but now that it is in a unified "computer system" it is now two things? Logically it doesn't fit. In a non-computer controlled car, not one person has pointed out where a Rev limiter is and that isn't the governor. Calling me a fool and then saying "I don't know and don't care" doesn't make you look any smarter. If I'm a fool:

PROVE ME WRONG.

Oh, and if your car is already electronically limited to 144 or 145... there wouldn't be a "secondary" limiter at 155. Just 155 mph is the speed that the car's governor is required to kick in by US law. Reprogramming the ECU removes the limiter and you can take your nice Ferrari up to the 200 mph top speed.

[Soryon]

I would never race at a track simply because I am putting myself at risk of other people possibly hitting my car/causing an accident with no interaction from myself.

Insurance does not cover you at all (at least here in the U.S.) if your car gets fucked on the track. I have heard of people whos car got totaled when it was parked (totally not their fault) but insurance still wouldn't cover it. I wouldn't bitch about not being covered if say I fucked up my own car while at the track but if they aren't even gonna cover you if you get hit by someone else then why take the risk? At least even if you fuck up the car and it *is* your own fault on the open road you will at least be covered.

Granted its not everyday I go fast like that. I have only gotten that fast twice and gone over 100 MPH maybe 10 times and that was for very short periods of time (a second or two).

HAHA, WHat? You are not covered if the Police figure out you were speeding well past the speed limit. Then the insurance company will deny your claim.

eh my insurance company doesnt give a shit if you were doing something illegal when it happens. Only thing that matters is at fault or not and whether you fucked it up in a way your coverage handles.

About the rev limiter and all that wonderful nonsense, if you dont comprehend the difference between a limiter placed on rpms vs speed governors your a damn fool tmr. I dont know or care exactly how or why the fuck they are in there but many cars have speed limiters on them completely seperate of the rpm limitations and its usually on vehicles that can easily exceed any and all legal speeds, and the whole tire bullshit is in there too.

Back to what i was saying referencing the speed limiter on my car, i know its at the 144 or 145 i dont remember which but thats the programed limit in there that i was reading about on forums.I dont know or care if there is a secondary limiter @ 155 nor do i really care. Im waiting till my warranty is over before i void it chipping the thing to exceed that.  

And that's why you'll always be wrong... because you don't know.

I don't get why people are so thick about this. It's a simple question. The computer in a modern car controls the Revs so the engine doesn't blow up... but that same computer controls the Revs from exceeding a certain RPM in a certain gear. It's a unified system that controls everything from the fuel maps to the ignition timings all the way to error codes like a misfire. So it's not a different part, it's the same part and/or piece of hardware that controls all of those things. One might say, it's "two" separate things that do the same thing. How is that possible? It was never "two" separate pieces of hardware in non-computer controlled cars... but now that it is in a unified "computer system" it is now two things? Logically it doesn't fit. In a non-computer controlled car, not one person has pointed out where a Rev limiter is and that isn't the governor. Calling me a fool and then saying "I don't know and don't care" doesn't make you look any smarter. If I'm a fool:

PROVE ME WRONG.

Oh, and if your car is already electronically limited to 144 or 145... there wouldn't be a "secondary" limiter at 155. Just 155 mph is the speed that the car's governor is required to kick in by US law. Reprogramming the ECU removes the limiter and you can take your nice Ferrari up to the 200 mph top speed.

Who cares, really.
I dont give the first piece of a fuck what you car is or can do. I just dont want you driving like an asshole on the road when I am there.
I mean, I used to drive like a moron too, when I was 16... Its just not a good idea otherwise.

[TMRNetShark]

Who cares, really.
I dont give the first piece of a fuck what you car is or can do. I just dont want you driving like an asshole on the road when I am there.
I mean, I used to drive like a moron too, when I was 16... Its just not a good idea otherwise.

Biggest turn off for me in a girl is if she drives fast/terribly. Reason why? If I marry her and she's driving me and our kids, she will instantly become a soccer mom and my eyes. I hate soccer moms.

[Ixarku]

Speaking of soccer moms, I almost got hit while in my car once by a woman driving an SUV who ran a stop sign while talking on a cell phone.  If she had been Asian and was also putting her makeup on at the same time, I would've had all of the cliches there at once.

[metro.]

Speaking of soccer moms, I almost got hit while in my car once by a woman driving an SUV who ran a stop sign while talking on a cell phone.  If she had been Asian and was also putting her makeup on at the same time, I would've had all of the cliches there at once.

Best one I saw was someone changing clothes while driving down the road. Just lol.

[Ixarku]

Speaking of soccer moms, I almost got hit while in my car once by a woman driving an SUV who ran a stop sign while talking on a cell phone.  If she had been Asian and was also putting her makeup on at the same time, I would've had all of the cliches there at once.

Best one I saw was someone changing clothes while driving down the road. Just lol.

Would've been exciting to tailgate her then lay on the horn for 10 continuous seconds just to provoke a reaction.  Of course, there's a good chance that no one in the vicinity would survive the reaction.

[Micharus]

Speaking of soccer moms, I almost got hit while in my car once by a woman driving an SUV who ran a stop sign while talking on a cell phone.  If she had been Asian and was also putting her makeup on at the same time, I would've had all of the cliches there at once.

Best one I saw was someone changing clothes while driving down the road. Just lol.

Would've been exciting to tailgate her then lay on the horn for 10 continuous seconds just to provoke a reaction.  Of course, there's a good chance that no one in the vicinity would survive the reaction.

Seeing other people drive like idiots, doesn't mean you should drive like an idiot.

2 idiots = potential disaster.

Like the two people driving separate cars who thought it would be funny to drive down the freeway 20k under the limit, each in a different lane, thereby blocking 2 out of three lanes, on a FRIDAY NIGHT.

Then, having caused a pile of frustrated people to group up behind them, take off down the freeway at full speed, only to do exactly the same thing a few k's further down the road.

Really, really annoying and stupid.