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[TMRNetShark]

The problem is that silicon as a material has stability problems when handling frequency at 4,5 Ghz, thus you don't see CPUs over that 4,5 Ghz. They generally stop at 4GHz.

Bulldozer is said to have an SKU with a base frequency of 4.2GHz.

I believe the Ghz race stopped back when Intel released Pentium 4, after that both Intel and AMD have been getting more processing power due to multi core technology and improved architecture.

It stopped after Preshott. It was a losing battle. Heat generation was ramping up much faster than the frequency was.

If Pentium 4 was manufactured in Intel's manufacturing process (32nm or even 22nm) today, it would probably reached it's 10GHz promise from a decade ago.

HAHAHA, going from 90nm down to 32nm or even 22nm would definitely get it to 10 GHz. Then again, that 10 GHz would probably still not even compare in performance to any consumer CPU on the market today.

[Spanks]

So no, I don't have an i7 processor that can take over the world, but I do have a processor that it quite powerful... powerful enough to keep up with an i7 980X at a fraction of the cost.

Linking to a benchmark that’s obviously showing GPU-bottlenecked performance doesn’t help your case at all … inb4moresarcasm.

You could have saved a bit of cash by going with an X4 965 BE, and you’d only have to give up a bit of gaming performance—ohwait, you won’t. Heck, looking at it, an i3-2100 makes a pretty competitive budget alternative for gaming as well, although I’d go with the X4 for better multi-threaded performance in other tasks.

That money you save can go toward getting an AM3+ motherboard to ease the transition into Bulldozer, or toward other GPU options. Or you can pick up another 2GB RAM, go with a 2×4GB config for just $6 more (pity you missed it a week or two ago when it was $36).

But it’s okay, I get it, it’s just more of that special brand of sarcasmsauce~

Your sight sees only so far, doesn't it? The 1055T and the 965BE are only $20 difference, right? (Plus you probably don't read previous posts)

I plan on OVERCLOCKING the 1055T. The 1055T is very easily Overclockable and I got a mobo that easily allows me to do that. True, a 965BE can also be overclocked well to 4GHz, but it only has 4 cores. I can Overclock my 1055T to 4GHz... and I bought the extra cooling equipment to get benchmark results that show that the 1055T is very beastly when overclocked while using multi-thread friendly applications (which most games these days take advantage of). Do your research, cause I did. 

AM3+? Ummm, if the new line of AMD processors were so good, I can definitely see them making better ones in 2 years when I would plan on getting an new computer. As of right now, all I see is those new APU's that aren't that impressive to me. 6 GBs of RAM is plenty enough for now (I would never be using that extra 2 GBs anyways).

Don't get me started on the Videocard... The 6850 performs very well for the price.

Then again, I bought the 1055T, aftermarket heatsink+fan, the 6850 GPU, 6 GBs of Corsair RAM, a 320 GB HD, A two-fan installed case, A mobo, and a 575W PSU for $500 shipped. It's cool to hate...

the prices I was going were in my country so I was going those for my advice. good luck overclocking your 1055t  without being able to change the multiplier. I don't know if I just got a dodgy 1055t but it is crap for overclocking compared to the slightly more expensive 1075t or 1090t mainly because of the multi unlock and better chance of getting a good one. and yes I did my research, but that was more then a year ago when I bought a 1055t, now I happily run a 1090t conservatively overclocked to 4gh, though probably not during the upcoming summer.

do tell of your overclocking experience when yoy have done so.

sorry about the bad editing, doing this from a phone

[AceHigh]

The problem is that silicon as a material has stability problems when handling frequency at 4,5 Ghz, thus you don't see CPUs over that 4,5 Ghz. They generally stop at 4GHz.

Bulldozer is said to have an SKU with a base frequency of 4.2GHz.

I believe the Ghz race stopped back when Intel released Pentium 4, after that both Intel and AMD have been getting more processing power due to multi core technology and improved architecture.

It stopped after Preshott. It was a losing battle. Heat generation was ramping up much faster than the frequency was.

If Pentium 4 was manufactured in Intel's manufacturing process (32nm or even 22nm) today, it would probably reached it's 10GHz promise from a decade ago.

HAHAHA, going from 90nm down to 32nm or even 22nm would definitely get it to 10 GHz. Then again, that 10 GHz would probably still not even compare in performance to any consumer CPU on the market today.

Guys, do you keep forgetting that it can't pass 4,5GHz no matter how small they make it as long as it is made from silicon? Oscillating that material is a bitch above that frequency.

[kitamesume]

^ how would you explain the recorded overclocks of 5Ghz from the core2duos and sandybridges?

[bloody000]

TMRNetShark :

Hexa-core doesn't do shit in games. Especially not when you have a measly 6850, it's a condition called GPU-bound. And when you overclock you will wish you had paid for a BE and better board instead. There are only four phases on the board and zero MOSFET heatsink, don't be surprise if it can't handle the load and fry itself.

[TMRNetShark]

TMRNetShark :

Hexa-core doesn't do shit in games. Especially not when you have a measly 6850, it's a condition called GPU-bound. And when you overclock you will wish you had paid for a BE and better board instead. There are only four phases on the board and zero MOSFET heatsink, don't be surprise if it can't handle the load and fry itself.

Thanks for the input!

Durrrh-da-durrrraaahhh... How stupid can you get? The 965BE is better for gaming by 10% in benchmarks. Why? Cause the clock speed difference is 600 MHz. With locked multipliers, all I need to do is raise the clock speed to ~245 MHz range (and I have the aftermarket cooling to HANDLE it at that temperature)... and I'm at the same clock as the 965BE while having better performance in games and head and shoulders above in applications. And would you call the GTX 460 a "measly" card? It's quite good for a videocard... but the 6850 is a great card... Look at any other review/benchmark of the 6850 and notice that it beats out the GTX 460 yet the Nvidia card is $40 more. The 6850 isn't the best card in the world, but saying it's GPU-bound right now is a bit pre-mature. I may not be going to atronomical resolutions nor will I be turning on every pixel smoothing feature... but I'll definitely be able to play 99% of game on high settings with 40+ fps consistent.

There are only four phases on the board

Each CPU has it's own memory controller, so it's not like 6 cores can't all be used at the same time. If they weren't use all at the same time... why does the 1055T beat it out in applications? I know why the 965 BE beats the 1055T in games, it's called a higher clock speed. Whoopie, the 1055T is easily clocked to 3.4 GHz... more cores doesn't always means better... but it helps.

[kureshii]

Good luck with that overclock. Looking forward to your screenshots of success.

[TMRNetShark]

Good luck with that overclock. Looking forward to your screenshots of sucess.

I'll try out 4.0 GHz... but to run it from day to day.. I'll probably only do 3.4 GHz.

[AceHigh]

^ how would you explain the recorded overclocks of 5Ghz from the core2duos and sandybridges?

They were not stable. That speed only served to set records, using liquid nitrogen and core voltage that degrades transistors in CPU over time. I don't have the article now, but I read that the tests were done in labs by the IC industry to test the silicon wafers and the limit for stable CPU frequency was around 4,5Ghz.

Sure, trust basement kids that pour liquid nitrogen over their CPUs if you want. I will wait for the real research done on graphene or other materials that can be a suitable replacement.

[vuzedome]

I find it quite amusing how these kind of threads easily stray from the original agenda.

[Lupin]

There are only four phases on the board and zero MOSFET heatsink, don't be surprise if it can't handle the load and fry itself.

Good luck with that overclock. Looking forward to your screenshots of sucess.

+1 to both

I don't have the article now, but I read that the tests were done in labs by the IC industry to test the silicon wafers and the limit for stable CPU frequency was around 4,5Ghz.

When were those tests made? What maybe true 10 years are may no longer apply now.

Sure, trust basement kids that pour liquid nitrogen over their CPUs if you want. I will wait for the real research done on graphene or other materials that can be a suitable replacement.

Intel procs of today can run stable at ~5GHz with highend air cooling.

[nullx32]

TMRN, I liked the part where you ask people for their considerations on your hardware selection and then proceed to tell everyone that their advice is bad and you know better than them. Honestly...

Unless you only wanted input regarding the following:

I mean, is the extra ten dollars to get the Gigabyte 6850 and the extra 8 dollars for the Corsair XMS3 RAM worth it?

If that was the case you might have wanted to explicitly tell people in advance to stfu so they don't waste their time, unless all they want to discuss are your GPU and RAM selections.

There are some glaring issues with the combination of components you're currently planning to order for this system, but said issues have already been addressed by posters and you told them that they're wrong.  So at this point I feel it's most appropriate to advocate going full steam ahead with this silly gaming setup.

P.S. How can you even contemplate dumping money into a new gaming rig without even considering the fact that you're playing games at a laughable netbook resolution? It seems painfully obvious that a display upgrade would be a top priority for improving your gaming experience.

*Edit*
P.P.S. After MIR the Gigabyte 6850 is $10 less than the PowerColor.

[kitamesume]

arguments aside, what is it that you're lacking that required an assistance in the forums?

what i see is that, all you need for a rig is already on your list and just showing off your build.
datora clearly built a better rig for lower of the price, and tomoya-kun already built a 3000$ rig of no laughable performance.

what is it that you're up to? getting these optimal hardware for the best price? or you just want an average rig?

[AceHigh]

what is it that you're up to? getting these optimal hardware for the best price? or you just want an average rig?

You missed one of the two sentences with question mark in the original post?

My question to you all is, will the above products work well at running those games I've stated at high setting (maybe not ultra) and still get a moderately good framerate above 40 fps?

So the only 2 answers you people can give is:

1. Yes, you will be able to run those games on your computer with high settings and get good frame rate
2. No you won't be able to run all/any games on your list with that hardware on high setting without getting lags.

[kitamesume]

oh, i missed it, it was buried in the rams.

then my answer is, yes it is even overkill for a 1366x786 res.

an [i3-2100 | HD6790/GTS450 | 2x2GB Ram] would even be enough to play most games at that res without much hiccups.

[TMRNetShark]

I didn't ask people to tear apart my build and say "You can get this and this and this and you'll have a better system!" Yeah... at an extra $100?

My problem with the 965 BE isn't that it it's not good enough for me, it's that the overclocking potential is easier to perform. The only difference is the clock speed. If the clock speed was level between the 1055T and the 965BE, the 1055T would outperform it (cause it has more cores).

So yes, I think I got my answer of the setup will run most (if not all) games on high setting, especially since I'm doing mild OC'ing to around 3.4 GHz on the 1055T. And before anyone starts bitching about my mobo not being able to do any major overclocking needs to do more research. Mobo that I got.

Yes, I have a really low res monitor... the monitor is also a 32" TV.

[kitamesume]

i got a tip for you though, grab a board with more than 1PCI-E x16, just incase your GPU wont be enough anymore you`d just need to grab another one and go crossfire.

scenario:
1# you upgraded into a 1080p monitor
2# an awesome game appeared that manages to starve your GPU
3# you wanted more eye-candy

characteristics of the board you should look for:
1# supports Phenom II X6
2# has more than 2 slots of ram
3# has more than 1 slot of PCI-E x16
4# has an onboard audio of ALC888, ALC889 or ALC892 (optional if you're not opting for an add-on sound card)
5# Gigabit LAN (you'll wish you'd have this when it becomes a standard ^_^)
6# more than 4slots of SATA II or SATA III

examples:
[$49.99]Foxconn A7DA-S 3.0 AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard note: this mobo is on sale, original price is $119.99
[$79.99]MSI 870S-G46 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard
[$89.99]ASRock 880G PRO3 AM3+ AMD 880G HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard note: supports bulldozer FX

[TMRNetShark]

i got a tip for you though, grab a board with more than 1PCI-E x16, just incase your GPU wont be enough anymore you`d just need to grab another one and go crossfire.

scenario:
1# you upgraded into a 1080p monitor
2# an awesome game appeared that manages to starve your GPU
3# you wanted more eye-candy

characteristics of the board you should look for:
1# supports Phenom II X6
2# has more than 2 slots of ram
3# has more than 1 slot of PCI-E x16
4# has an onboard audio of ALC888, ALC889 or ALC892 (optional if you're not opting for an add-on sound card)
5# Gigabit LAN (you'll wish you'd have this when it becomes a standard ^_^)
6# more than 4slots of SATA II or SATA III

examples:
[$49.99]Foxconn A7DA-S 3.0 AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard note: this mobo is on sale, original price is $119.99
[$79.99]MSI 870S-G46 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard
[$89.99]ASRock 880G PRO3 AM3+ AMD 880G HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard note: supports bulldozer FX

Thanks for the tips... I don't have an audio system that's stellar (I only use some nice noise cancelling headphones)... Buying another 6850 yields only a 25-30% at most increase in performance (when that money could be spent towards a single newer card to achieve that 25-30% in 1-2 years).

In 2 years, then the Phenon II X6 is at the ripe old age of 3 years old, then I'll see the offerings of Intel/AMD at the time. Intel will probably still be better in performance... but I want to see how much shelf life I can get out of the 1055T before I upgrade again.

[kitamesume]

the onboard audio i mentioned had decent output compared to the other ones, i`m using an ALC889 and an ALC887 comparing them side by side i could tell that the ALC 889 was louder and clearer with the same volumes and settings.

PS: i`m using a headphone that'll people call junk but its decent, well compared to the older ones i've owned its much better XD

[TMRNetShark]

the onboard audio i mentioned had decent output compared to the other ones, i`m using an ALC889 and an ALC887 comparing them side by side i could tell that the ALC 889 was louder and clearer with the same volumes and settings.

PS: i`m using a headphone that'll people call junk but its decent, well compared to the older ones i've owned its much better XD

Even if I did get a nice onboard one... It's not that hard to get myself a PCI one if I'm unsatisfied with my audio experience.