What game are you looking foward to the most this winter?

[TMRNetShark]

That's why it's odd that Bounty Hunters are "inherently" evil while Smugglers are "inherently" good.

That's what you get when you try to split everything to only 2 sides. Imagine that there is a legal bounty on a criminal psychopath and you kill him for a bounty: that makes you a role citizen, on other hand as a smuggler you could be smuggling women and children who are mandalorian slaves.

That is another part of SWG I liked, working for Empire didn't make you "evil". After all Empire are convinced that they are the good guys and what they do is right. SWTOR is pretty much set up to make one side good and one side evil.

Oh, and inb4 someone mentions that Sith lords are all evil:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Vectivus

It's not that each side is good or evil... it's about the character you play. I personally will be a Dark side Trooper first and then a light side Sith Warrior. Contradiction, yes... but I really want to see how the stories play out.

[Darkblade92]

That's why it's odd that Bounty Hunters are "inherently" evil while Smugglers are "inherently" good.

That's what you get when you try to split everything to only 2 sides. Imagine that there is a legal bounty on a criminal psychopath and you kill him for a bounty: that makes you a role citizen, on other hand as a smuggler you could be smuggling women and children who are mandalorian slaves.

That is another part of SWG I liked, working for Empire didn't make you "evil". After all Empire are convinced that they are the good guys and what they do is right. SWTOR is pretty much set up to make one side good and one side evil.

Oh, and inb4 someone mentions that Sith lords are all evil:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Vectivus

Ah, I love you for mentioning Vectivus. When it was mention that the Sith are like the Jedi, but give in to their emotion, I just felt that it was utterly idiotic to have no good Sith... I mean, not all emotions lead to destructive and selfish actions.
Darth Vectivus rekindled my love for Star Wars to be honest.

[deadskin]

Yes, but how do you know Lumiya didn't make all that up?



Just sayin' as a fellow SW fan

[AceHigh]

News of villainy spreads and stays in the history. Absence of that is the reason enough for me.

[metro.]

I steer clear of games with subscription fees, they scare me. Once I pay for x amount of time I feel obliged to play it and only it during that time and it's just bad news. Although tbh the Star Wars MMO looks just plain awful. When it was first released, I was soooo amped, it's just gone downhill since initial expectations

[AceHigh]

I have good news for you!

Guild wars 2!

1. No monthly subscriptions. You pay for the game when you purchase it. it will most likely have a AAA title price tag and that is what will finance them.
2. Great graphics.
3. Interesting skills system, holds true to the limited amount of slots for skills and it's up to you to combine them into perfect builds, yet unlike the first game, makes very interesting twists to that by adding weapons skills.
4. No dedicated tanks and healers. Players just take over the tanking when the current tank needs to retreat and heal.
5. Dynamic event chains. These are the replacements for your typical MMO quests. Cool thing is that they change the status of the persistent world. Yes, players can lose towns to NPC mobs.
6. Underwater combat. Your weapon switches to one usable under the water and you have a set of skills set that also switch when you dive. Mobs also have different attacks and skills in the water compared to the land.
7. There are dragons.
8. These guys actually made an MMO before and a damned good one too... unlike some other game developers *cough*bioware*cough*

[metro.]

I have good news for you!

Guild wars 2!

1. No monthly subscriptions. You pay for the game when you purchase it. it will most likely have a AAA title price tag and that is what will finance them.
2. Great graphics.
3. Interesting skills system, holds true to the limited amount of slots for skills and it's up to you to combine them into perfect builds, yet unlike the first game, makes very interesting twists to that by adding weapons skills.
4. No dedicated tanks and healers. Players just take over the tanking when the current tank needs to retreat and heal.
5. Dynamic event chains. These are the replacements for your typical MMO quests. Cool thing is that they change the status of the persistent world. Yes, players can lose towns to NPC mobs.
6. Underwater combat. Your weapon switches to one usable under the water and you have a set of skills set that also switch when you dive. Mobs also have different attacks and skills in the water compared to the land.
7. There are dragons.
8. These guys actually made an MMO before and a damned good one too... unlike some other game developers *cough*bioware*cough*

Hey, I know. I play GW

Biggest issue, it won't be out for like another 3 years because that's just how NCSoft time works. It's just slow. Remember how many times they promised whatever is it that they added to Factions? Changing winds or whatever? That was supposed to come out before Nightfall, then they got distracted. Happened again when they announced what was going to be another expansion but instead is now GW2. Believe me, when it comes out I'm pre-ordering it for SURE. Just until then, I've got nothing to do but poke fun at other MMO's

[AceHigh]

I know, however in all fairness when they do release, it's close to perfect. Not entirely bug free, but not buggy enough to make it noticeable or break the game experience. I would rather them be slow than pulling off a "funcom" by releasing an unfinished game.

Maybe NCSoft will get tired of waiting and kick ArenaNet in their butt at some point of time, meanwhile they will sell Charr plushies to finance salaries to their devs.

[KageKenshin]

Skyrim all the way for me.  Saints Row the Third is a semi-distant second (in view, but no chance of it catching up XD).

Arkham City is way over the hill and out of view, but probably will be third most anticipated.  Possibly 4th....Behind Terraria's 1.1.0 update XD

[deadskin]

I have good news for you!

Guild wars 2!

1. No monthly subscriptions. You pay for the game when you purchase it. it will most likely have a AAA title price tag and that is what will finance them.
2. Great graphics.
3. Interesting skills system, holds true to the limited amount of slots for skills and it's up to you to combine them into perfect builds, yet unlike the first game, makes very interesting twists to that by adding weapons skills.
4. No dedicated tanks and healers. Players just take over the tanking when the current tank needs to retreat and heal.
5. Dynamic event chains. These are the replacements for your typical MMO quests. Cool thing is that they change the status of the persistent world. Yes, players can lose towns to NPC mobs.
6. Underwater combat. Your weapon switches to one usable under the water and you have a set of skills set that also switch when you dive. Mobs also have different attacks and skills in the water compared to the land.
7. There are dragons.
8. These guys actually made an MMO before and a damned good one too... unlike some other game developers *cough*bioware*cough*

You forgot:
9. a Commando class xD

8. These guys actually made an MMO before and a damned good one too... unlike some other game developers *cough*bioware*cough*

They've made several. But only a couple were successful enough to warrant recognition (Lineage, City of Heroes/CoV, GW).

As for the others:
Aion doesn't count. It's WoW lite rehashed with anime graphics.
Exteel bombed (but was still pretty fun imo).
Tabula Rasa had an interesting concept but Richard Garriot was too busy figuring out what to do at the ISC than care about the game. Anyhow the game was boring as hell.

[metro.]

Exteel was fantastic, don't hate.
Aion is successful, saying it's WoW with different graphics while might be true it did have feature that Blizzard's template doesn't, which makes a big different. I know many-a-people that would chose Aion over WoW, regardless of previous ties. Tabula Rasa wasn't a BAD game per-say, Garriot just thought that bringing Shooters and RPGers together would double their fan base, not 1/16th it.

[deadskin]

Exteel was fantastic, don't hate.

No hate bro. I love Exteel.

I invested a lot of time (played for 2 years, ranked Lieutenant Colonel) and money (over $40 worth of NCCoins) into it. I founded a top 10 guild and helped several guildmates improve their games.
Also met some people there with whom I still play games with to this day.

But you have to admit it in the end that it was a niche game for a really small market.

[AceHigh]

They've made several. But only a couple were successful enough to warrant recognition (Lineage, City of Heroes/CoV, GW)

NCSoft are publishers as well as game developers. They made Lineage and Aion. City of Heroes series were made by Cryptic studios and Guild Wars series were made by ArenaNet.

Likewise when I look at TOR, I look at what games Bioware made before, not what games EA and Lucasarts published.

[TMRNetShark]

They've made several. But only a couple were successful enough to warrant recognition (Lineage, City of Heroes/CoV, GW)

NCSoft are publishers as well as game developers. They made Lineage and Aion. City of Heroes series were made by Cryptic studios and Guild Wars series were made by ArenaNet.

Likewise when I look at TOR, I look at what games Bioware made before, not what games EA and Lucasarts published.

You at least can't say that Bioware has failed at the MMO market before. Agreed, they had one legitimately bad game (Dragon Age II) but even then, I didn't think the whole team and talent from their KOTOR/DA:O games were working on DAII.

So in reality, GW2 looks like the better game because it's coming from a developer/publisher that knows MMOs and has stayed pretty healthy over the many years compared to the MMO giant. At the same time, I really think Bioware can really bring back the RPG in MMORPG. Time will only tell (and my hard earned money ).

[AceHigh]

I think there is market for both, a friend of mine had a discussion about TOR, everything I mentioned as a bad thing, was sounding great for him. He was thrilled over static combat and everything following WoW formula. He even bought a new second screen so that he could do other things like surfing the web or watching movies while playing the game.

I guess the market wants those "chilled" MMO games, so I will not bother saying what is good and what is bad in my opinions in TOR, I will just stay away from it. For me the "RPG" part that I really like in single player games: the ability to change the world due to your actions, is now attempted in GW2 and Firefall. Those two are in my highest wish list.

[TMRNetShark]

I think there is market for both, a friend of mine had a discussion about TOR, everything I mentioned as a bad thing, was sounding great for him. He was thrilled over static combat and everything following WoW formula. He even bought a new second screen so that he could do other things like surfing the web or watching movies while playing the game.

I guess the market wants those "chilled" MMO games, so I will not bother saying what is good and what is bad in my opinions in TOR, I will just stay away from it. For me the "RPG" part that I really like in single player games: the ability to change the world due to your actions, is now attempted in GW2 and Firefall. Those two are in my highest wish list.

I'm the same way as your friend, but instead of watching the second screen most of the time, I like to have fluff shows on while I'm playing MMOs. Not to watch it, but to have funny jokes or entertainment going on while I'm going from the quest hub to the quest marker. For TOR though, I might have to mute the TV while the cut scenes are being played out. I played Guild Wars in a similar way cause it did not need my full attention 100% of the time.

[metro.]

Exteel was fantastic, don't hate.

No hate bro. I love Exteel.

I invested a lot of time (played for 2 years, ranked Lieutenant Colonel) and money (over $40 worth of NCCoins) into it. I founded a top 10 guild and helped several guildmates improve their games.
Also met some people there with whom I still play games with to this day.

But you have to admit it in the end that it was a niche game for a really small market.

No doubt. But there's tons of games like that. Consider....well now that I've gotten here I can't remember the name of the game so I guess I'll just sound like an ass. But you could argue sports games aren't worth it, although the fan base is larger it's the same idea. If they weren't just recycled it would not be worth it.

[mgz]

not so much for winter but i can wait for diablo 3 counterstrike GO and borderlands 2

[metro.]

not so much for winter but i can wait for diablo 3 counterstrike GO and borderlands 2

I still think CS:GO is going to be awful.

[mgz]

not so much for winter but i can wait for diablo 3 counterstrike GO and borderlands 2

I still think CS:GO is going to be awful.

ill find out when i can steal the unreleased beta.
I mean it cant be much worse then source