What game are you looking foward to the most this winter?

[TMRNetShark]

NO GOD DAMN SPRINTING (at least that I know of).

What's with the sprint hating?

And Dark Souls is not on the list since October really ain't winter (or is it? dunnolol).

Cause it's one of the most pointless mechanics. There is always at least ONE level where you HAVE to sprint to get to the checkpoint. It's like "Run, run, run!" "God damn it! I'm fat... can't I just shoot people in the face instead of running away?"

It's so annoying. I'll avoid running in FPSs for that very reason of it being a useless game mechanic that synthetically creates "excitement."

[Supai]

Cause it's one of the most pointless mechanics. There is always at least ONE level where you HAVE to sprint to get to the checkpoint. It's like "Run, run, run!" "God damn it! I'm fat... can't I just shoot people in the face instead of running away?"

It's so annoying. I'll avoid running in FPSs for that very reason of it being a useless game mechanic that synthetically creates "excitement."

Yeah, I'd gladly WALK from cover to cover.

[shabutie]

NO GOD DAMN SPRINTING (at least that I know of).

What's with the sprint hating?

And Dark Souls is not on the list since October really ain't winter (or is it? dunnolol).

Dark Souls and Batman both come out in October!  Which is why I was saddened to not see it on the list.

[TMRNetShark]

Cause it's one of the most pointless mechanics. There is always at least ONE level where you HAVE to sprint to get to the checkpoint. It's like "Run, run, run!" "God damn it! I'm fat... can't I just shoot people in the face instead of running away?"

It's so annoying. I'll avoid running in FPSs for that very reason of it being a useless game mechanic that synthetically creates "excitement."

Yeah, I'd gladly WALK from cover to cover.

You've never played an id game, have you? 

[Supai]

Cause it's one of the most pointless mechanics. There is always at least ONE level where you HAVE to sprint to get to the checkpoint. It's like "Run, run, run!" "God damn it! I'm fat... can't I just shoot people in the face instead of running away?"

It's so annoying. I'll avoid running in FPSs for that very reason of it being a useless game mechanic that synthetically creates "excitement."

Yeah, I'd gladly WALK from cover to cover.

You've never played an id game, have you? 

I have, but you didn't specify WHICH FPS games (and besides, not sprinting is usually running in games (and walking is a separate mode)).

[TMRNetShark]

I have, but you didn't specify WHICH FPS games (and besides, not sprinting is usually running in games (and walking is a separate mode)).

Walking in id games is the same speed as crouching. Plus you can still "shoot" and "run" with "walking" as the alternate moving speed. When you run, you cannot fire to give yourself "covering fire".... so no, running is useless in games.

Yeah, I'd gladly WALK from cover to cover.

So why would you press a key to make yourself slower if "running" was the normal speed? 

[Supai]

So why would you press a key to make yourself slower if "running" was the normal speed? 

To make less noise? To be more accurate? Machinima (not really my thing but whatever)? Depends on the game.

[TMRNetShark]

So why would you press a key to make yourself slower if "running" was the normal speed? 

To make less noise? To be more accurate? Machinima (not really my thing but whatever)? Depends on the game.

So tell me the point of what running from serves? Cover to cover sure... but there are points in video games that require you to sprint. Examples? Most of the CoD games, Half Life 2 (running from the copters's fire), Resistance, Gears of War... there are a lot of shooters that have the sprint feature versus standard speed is "running" and shift if walking.

[SeventyX7]

The sprinting mechanic you're referring to (where it usually becomes harder to shoot while doing so) exists because it adds both an element of realism and strategy.  You have to decide when moving from one place to the next, do you want to move as fast as possible, or do you want to be able to defend yourself as soon as possible should you come under fire?

Your hatred of the mechanic is a preference that those who prefer more arcade-y style shooters have.

[TMRNetShark]

The sprinting mechanic you're referring to (where it usually becomes harder to shoot while doing so) exists because it adds both an element of realism and strategy.  You have to decide when moving from one place to the next, do you want to move as fast as possible, or do you want to be able to defend yourself as soon as possible should you come under fire?

Your hatred of the mechanic is a preference that those who prefer more arcade-y style shooters have.

Try running from cover to cover in an online multiplayer game like Black Ops. A human opponent can blast you away EASILY... but since the programers of a game make sure the AI can't hit you when you are running from cover to cover in SP. Hell, have you ever played a game called Battlefield 2? If you got up from a sandbag cover, you could instantly be killed if someone had a beat on you. It's more realistic to lob a grenade or just shoot the person from your current "cover".

But if you prefer shooters that have sprint as a feature and you like it, great. I know that some games work with a sprint feature. Crysis is a good example because you can really fast up to a lone enemy and punch him in the face! Cover to cover sprinting just looks and feels retarded... and it's retarded that AI enemies can't hit even though they KNOW you are there.

[JoonasTo]

The first thing you learn in the military is to never get up from the same cover you dived into. That's a sure way to get yourself killed. It doesn't matter if you leap out of there like a tiger you'll get shot the moment you leave the cover. (It's kinda cool to get hit in the air though)

When you cover you got to move to some other place beyond the cover before popping up.

[SeventyX7]

The sprinting mechanic you're referring to (where it usually becomes harder to shoot while doing so) exists because it adds both an element of realism and strategy.  You have to decide when moving from one place to the next, do you want to move as fast as possible, or do you want to be able to defend yourself as soon as possible should you come under fire?

Your hatred of the mechanic is a preference that those who prefer more arcade-y style shooters have.

Try running from cover to cover in an online multiplayer game like Black Ops. A human opponent can blast you away EASILY... but since the programers of a game make sure the AI can't hit you when you are running from cover to cover in SP. Hell, have you ever played a game called Battlefield 2? If you got up from a sandbag cover, you could instantly be killed if someone had a beat on you. It's more realistic to lob a grenade or just shoot the person from your current "cover".

But if you prefer shooters that have sprint as a feature and you like it, great. I know that some games work with a sprint feature. Crysis is a good example because you can really fast up to a lone enemy and punch him in the face! Cover to cover sprinting just looks and feels retarded... and it's retarded that AI enemies can't hit even though they KNOW you are there.

I'm confused about your point.  You jump between how the sprint mechanic works in single player and multi-player like the two are commensurable.

Since nobody cares about single player in an FPS game, I'll just talk about multi-player and not bother talking about how AI works in games.

If you're trying to argue that an enemy isn't harder to hit when they move faster....you're just wrong.  I'm not going to bother explaining why, because it should be obvious.

Your example of "If somebody has a beat on you, sprinting from cover to cover is bad" is also besides the point, because that isn't a situation you'd be moving cover to cover from to begin with.  That's like saying, "The sniper rifle is crap because if you're up against an opponent using a shotgun in close range, he will destroy you."

In any case you didn't refute my points that it adds an element of realism (because you can't, people in real life have the ability to sprint, and doing so they can't fire their gun with perfect accuracy), nor strategy (since both your examples are situations in which sprinting isn't what you'd want to do anyways).  

All you've said is that you have never encountered a sprinting system implemented in a way you like.

[TMRNetShark]

I'm confused about your point.  You jump between how the sprint mechanic works in single player and multi-player like the two are commensurable.

Because in SP, the AI is programmed not to be able to hit you when your run from "cover to cover"... making it a gimmick. Sprinting in MP is different but make it's equally as useless.

If you're trying to argue that an enemy isn't harder to hit when they move faster....you're just wrong.  I'm not going to bother explaining why, because it should be obvious.

Your example of "If somebody has a beat on you, sprinting from cover to cover is bad" is also besides the point, because that isn't a situation you'd be moving cover to cover from to begin with.  That's like saying, "The sniper rifle is crap because if you're up against an opponent using a shotgun in close range, he will destroy you."

Play Counter Strike... see what happens when you try to "get out of cover". 

You know the map office? There are hallways where it's the length of a double door yet people can EASILY pick off people. Why? Because you claim that "sprinting" is realistic. There is a little flaw in your logic though. Can you continue to sprint after a bullet hits you? Hell no... you'd fall down to the ground and cry like a pansy (so would I). So that's why Counter Strike is "more" realistic because you slow down after getting hit with a bullet. You act like people can't aim on a lead off (aiming slightly ahead of a person of where they are moving) to take out a sprinting person. They can, it's quite easy.

So please, tell me the point of "sprinting".

[Supai]

Counter Strike, Black Ops... Why do you keep bringing up arcadey shooters?

Neither of those have destructible cover and pretty much the only threat to you is a grenade when you're behind cover (that cannot be penetrated).

[TMRNetShark]

Counter Strike, Black Ops... Why do you keep bringing up arcadey shooters?

Neither of those have destructible cover and pretty much the only threat to you is a grenade when you're behind cover (that cannot be penetrated).

Uhhh... what shooters are you referring to that are more realistic and use a sprinting feature?

EDIT: Sorry for hi-jacking the thread... back to topic! If you want to argue about this more (Supai, SeventyX7)... just PM me.

BACK TO TOPIC:
I am also looking forward to Skyrim. I'm really interested how they will fix scaling issues and hopefully it will be easier to max out skills without getting uber hard enemies. haha

[Supai]

First off, lol @ saying that Counter Strike and Black Ops are realistic.

Second off, Counter Strike has no sprint.

Third off, Battlefield Bad Company 2, for example, has destructible cover (some things aren't destructible but meh, most are). I move from cover to cover (using sprint when necessary) in this game.

[Sosseres]

Third off, Battlefield Bad Company 2, for example, has destructible cover (some things aren't destructible but meh, most are). I move from cover to cover (using sprint when necessary) in this game.

BC2 has really low damage and auto heal on default settings. Of course it will work in that game.

[TMRNetShark]

First off, lol @ saying that Counter Strike and Black Ops are realistic.

Second off, Counter Strike has no sprint.

Third off, Battlefield Bad Company 2, for example, has destructible cover (some things aren't destructible but meh, most are). I move from cover to cover (using sprint when necessary) in this game.

If you think it's useful, by all means use sprint. I'm not gonna argue with you people about this.

I knew what I would say about RAGE would ruffle some people's feathers. I gotta stop arguing with idiots because it's making me look like an idiot... they never get that it's my own personal opinion.  

[Supai]

Third off, Battlefield Bad Company 2, for example, has destructible cover (some things aren't destructible but meh, most are). I move from cover to cover (using sprint when necessary) in this game.

BC2 has really low damage and auto heal on default settings. Of course it will work in that game.

I know, but the point is that it does work and that I do use it in that game.

I knew what I would say about RAGE would ruffle some people's feathers. I gotta stop arguing with idiots because it's making me look like an idiot... they never get that it's my own personal opinion.  

It's not what you said about RAGE, it was about what you said about sprinting.  

I know that it is your opinion, I asked why you hated it, you answered, I questioned your explanation, you followed that with another question and so on.

Why are we (the people who question your explanations to your "hatred" for sprinting) idiots for this?

[TMRNetShark]

Third off, Battlefield Bad Company 2, for example, has destructible cover (some things aren't destructible but meh, most are). I move from cover to cover (using sprint when necessary) in this game.

BC2 has really low damage and auto heal on default settings. Of course it will work in that game.

I know, but the point is that it does work and that I do use it in that game.

I knew what I would say about RAGE would ruffle some people's feathers. I gotta stop arguing with idiots because it's making me look like an idiot... they never get that it's my own personal opinion.  

It's not what you said about RAGE, it was about what you said about sprinting.  

I know that it is your opinion, I asked why you hated it, you answered, I questioned your explanation, you followed that with another question and so on.

Why are we (the people who question your explanations to your "hatred" for sprinting) idiots for this?

Cause it's called an opinion and it's NOT the topic of this thread.