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Your view on AMD's Bulldozer
kitamesume:
^ actually that of a HD5670 / 9600GT level is already plenty for an IGP. these cards could at least play modern games on reasonable settings.
Lupin:
--- Quote from: TMRNetShark on October 14, 2011, 05:10:41 PM ---So Kureshii... your worried that built in graphics cards are gonna be replaced by IGPs? That's a GOOD thing. Will IGPs effect gaming/enthusiaists dedicated graphics cards? I havn't seen a single IGP that can rate up to an ATI 5770 or 6850 or a GTX 460/560. Having dedicated graphics is great, but that doesn't mean IGPs are aimed to replace them.
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Intel and AMD want to eventually combine the CPU and the GPU, sharing all resources with very little latency between them. There's lots of performance gains in doing that, similar to improvements when the memory controller got integrated to the CPU die. If they (or at least intel) succeeds in doing that, discrete cards will eventually become a niche product. You know what happens to prices in a market like that. Because discrete cards became a niche product, how many SKUs do you think will be released?
TMRNetShark:
--- Quote from: Lupin on October 14, 2011, 06:27:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: TMRNetShark on October 14, 2011, 05:10:41 PM ---So Kureshii... your worried that built in graphics cards are gonna be replaced by IGPs? That's a GOOD thing. Will IGPs effect gaming/enthusiaists dedicated graphics cards? I havn't seen a single IGP that can rate up to an ATI 5770 or 6850 or a GTX 460/560. Having dedicated graphics is great, but that doesn't mean IGPs are aimed to replace them.
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Intel and AMD want to eventually combine the CPU and the GPU, sharing all resources with very little latency between them. There's lots of performance gains in doing that, similar to improvements when the memory controller got integrated to the CPU die. If they (or at least intel) succeeds in doing that, discrete cards will eventually become a niche product. You know what happens to prices in a market like that. Because discrete cards became a niche product, how many SKUs do you think will be released?
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Yeah, I can see phones getting like 2005 computer's power in 5-10 years... but then we need advances in the battery market (cause you know that phone will die in 2 seconds if it tried to play BF1942). Combining the two on same dye does lead to advances in speed, but then are there gonna be the top of the line CPU-GPU combo like a 965 BE with a 6850 while another bundle is is like a FX-8170 with dual 7980's (or whatever is the comparable 6970's of the next generation). That would be cool... but wildly expensive and would DEFINITELY need water cooling to even think about overclocking.
ColdFission:
An official blog post form AMD:
http://blogs.amd.com/play/2011/10/13/our-take-on-amd-fx/
mgz:
--- Quote from: TMRNetShark on October 14, 2011, 07:35:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lupin on October 14, 2011, 06:27:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: TMRNetShark on October 14, 2011, 05:10:41 PM ---So Kureshii... your worried that built in graphics cards are gonna be replaced by IGPs? That's a GOOD thing. Will IGPs effect gaming/enthusiaists dedicated graphics cards? I havn't seen a single IGP that can rate up to an ATI 5770 or 6850 or a GTX 460/560. Having dedicated graphics is great, but that doesn't mean IGPs are aimed to replace them.
--- End quote ---
Intel and AMD want to eventually combine the CPU and the GPU, sharing all resources with very little latency between them. There's lots of performance gains in doing that, similar to improvements when the memory controller got integrated to the CPU die. If they (or at least intel) succeeds in doing that, discrete cards will eventually become a niche product. You know what happens to prices in a market like that. Because discrete cards became a niche product, how many SKUs do you think will be released?
--- End quote ---
Yeah, I can see phones getting like 2005 computer's power in 5-10 years... but then we need advances in the battery market (cause you know that phone will die in 2 seconds if it tried to play BF1942). Combining the two on same dye does lead to advances in speed, but then are there gonna be the top of the line CPU-GPU combo like a 965 BE with a 6850 while another bundle is is like a FX-8170 with dual 7980's (or whatever is the comparable 6970's of the next generation). That would be cool... but wildly expensive and would DEFINITELY need water cooling to even think about overclocking.
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thats only because you are thinking in current terms and physical items.
As processors shrink heat output generally goes down and power consumption goes down while making a more powerful item as that continues to scale it becomes much more feasible to have what is seemingly unthinkable in a very short period of time.
Just read some shit ray kursweil or w/e writes more or less hes a futurist and inventor i dont care if i spelled his name right.
And just expects our technological advances to follow the same growth it has been for some time which means compared how far we went from the calculator power sofa sized computers to now in 50 years. Our components are tens of thousands times faster and more efficient, and so much fucking smaller.
So just slide the scale in your mind and think about that, and then apply that to a concept like integrated graphics and realize that graphics can only get so good with the type of viewing we currently use.
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