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ios:
@kureshii
nevertheless the 10% improvement your saying is only for the CPU part of Ivy Bridge the GPU performance and the power consumption efficiency and upgradability due to using LGA 155 as socket are tons better either from the old articles or newer articles
krumm:
--- Quote from: ios on November 14, 2011, 10:40:47 PM ---@kureshii
nevertheless the 10% improvement your saying is only for the CPU part of Ivy Bridge the GPU performance and the power consumption efficiency and upgradability due to using LGA 155 as socket are tons better either from the old articles or newer articles
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The Socket you want to say is LGA1155 if I'm not mistaken. And does it really matter that the GPU performance is 50% better, it still wont compete with ATIs. Intel is catching up in features, but it is still not there and 50% will not do it. The thing IB will do is lower power use and move to 22nm tech. The upgrade ability is also questionable as you will probably want the new north bridge that goes with it. The improvement to wait for from Intel is Haswell.
Also why are comparing LGA1155 to FM1. FM1 may be AMDs offerings for IGP, but it is not there Mainstream Socket. AMD seems to be a little lost at the moment, but I just hope they don't take ATI out. When competition goes away, quality does as well.
ios:
@krumm
as much as a like AMD to perform better in order for prices and computing technology to improve, i cannot recommend them at the moment, first of all they will change their socket again when AMD Trinity is out so if you got an FM1 socket it wont be upgradable you will have to change your mobo too, and personally i re-encode anime fansub/fanrips too but i do not have a lot of cash to buy quad core processors, so i ended up with Pentium G620 (a Pentium class Sandy Bridge) and i must say its a good balance for casual gaming and casual video encoding and also i will not have to buy a new mobo too since i can upgrade with Ivy Bridge since it uses LGA1155 too (thanks for correcting) and also looking at the power consumption of AMD APU's compare to Intel APU's at the moment its clear in terms of desktop Intel has more of an edge
and Haswell will be out sometime in 2013 that is still a long way to go i rather
wait for Rockwell because it will be in 14 nanometer manufacturing process if
i remember correctly
Lupin:
--- Quote from: kureshii on October 14, 2011, 03:46:53 AM ---The other thing is that AMD simply needs a better PR/marketing team.
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If Charlie Demerjian is to be believed, PR got cut deep in the recent layoffs.
--- Quote from: krumm on November 15, 2011, 04:29:28 AM ---And does it really matter that the GPU performance is 50% better, it still wont compete with ATIs.
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Intel has the money. It can do it.
--- Quote from: krumm on November 15, 2011, 04:29:28 AM ---Also why are comparing LGA1155 to FM1. FM1 may be AMDs offerings for IGP, but it is not there Mainstream Socket. AMD seems to be a little lost at the moment, but I just hope they don't take ATI out. When competition goes away, quality does as well.
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No. FMx is AMD's mainstream socket. BD is their "high end."
SB-E is a nice processor but the platform it's on (x79) sucks. There's no point going with the platform unless you're using a lot of multithreaded apps. People are better off stick with SB or waiting for IB. I also don't understand why Anand sees it as a bad thing that SB-E doesn't have quicksync.
kureshii:
--- Quote from: krumm on November 15, 2011, 04:29:28 AM ---And does it really matter that the GPU performance is 50% better, it still wont compete with ATIs.
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The scary thing is, they actually might. AMD may be king of dedicated graphics cards (or contending for it), but Intel is way ahead in power efficiency. IGPs are the great equaliser because AMD has to balance the IGP's TDP budget with the CPU's, and as we've seen from the Llano reviews, they had to leave quite a lot of CPU performance on the table so as to get GPU performance ahead of Intel's.
I'm not sure they'll be able to maintain that performance margin; as I've detailed in an earlier wall-of-text, in the past 2 architectural generations we've seen ATi/AMD go from resting on their laurels (790G vs X4500) to pulling out all stops on Llano (HD6550D vs HD3000). They have no more stops to pull now; the HD6000 series is their biggest, newest, latest gun. HD7000 isn't going to bring a huge increase in graphics performance, not within the same power envelope anyway. AMD's greatest hurdle in IGP now is power efficiency (of their CPU cores).
The thing about the IGP ladder is that an integrated graphics chip just has to be able to run a game on low-end settings at >30fps; it isn't a competition to see who can get the highest FPS. The HD3000 isn't quite there, but that 60% boost in performance brings it yet another step closer.
As a non-gamer myself I care for much more than simply raw performance though. VA-API's better-than-VDPAU performance, availability of triple-display capability on Ivy Bridge IGP, as well as superior ASIC video decoder already seal the deal for me. AMD still has quite a way to go to get Llano together. Again, raw performance isn't everything.
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