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Your view on AMD's Bulldozer
krumm:
--- Quote from: ios on November 15, 2011, 07:34:34 AM ---and Haswell will be out sometime in 2013 that is still a long way to go i rather
wait for Rockwell because it will be in 14 nanometer manufacturing process if
i remember correctly
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I say wait for Haswell for the improvement because that is when we should get it. If you have a SB I don't see the reason to move to IB. But if you don't have SB that is the only reason to go to IB IMO. The only people I can see upgrading between the 2 would be the ones that went cheep at SB to hold them off and the ones that always have the newest and greatest.
--- Quote from: kureshii on November 15, 2011, 08:48:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: krumm on November 15, 2011, 04:29:28 AM ---And does it really matter that the GPU performance is 50% better, it still wont compete with ATIs.
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The scary thing is, they actually might. AMD may be king of dedicated graphics cards (or contending for it), but Intel is way ahead in power efficiency. IGPs are the great equaliser because AMD has to balance the IGP's TDP budget with the CPU's, and as we've seen from the Llano reviews, they had to leave quite a lot of CPU performance on the table so as to get GPU performance ahead of Intel's.
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On to the Intel IGP. I don't know much about the Haswell plans but at the rate Intels IGP has improved, this is when it will be caught up and probably surpass.
I recommend AMD all the time, BUT only when the feature set and cost are right for the person I'm recommending to. Price per performance within a certain price range means everything. I don't blindly buy based on name brands. AMD may be losing in a lot of ranges, but not all. One thing I always find funny is when someone trys to compare say a 150 dollar item with one that cost 200 and act like they cost the same, of coarse the 200 dollar item will be better(should be anyway).
kinda off topic: I remember when I got my newest computer(~1.5 years) and kept getting told that I should have got this and that. I was being told that I should have got parts for my computer that would have cost me 300 dollars more.
kureshii:
Cruel, Techreport.
AnimeJanai:
Since AMD doesn't have a niche product able to carry the company, there will be a point where if its market share drops below a certain value that it will no longer be able to have enough income to keep investing in the CPU arms race against Intel. If Intel keeps this CPU edge over AMD, there will come the time that the general public stops thinking of AMD and Intel as competitors leap-frogging each other in performance. If the public comes to believe that AMD is always behind, then that will be the end. From what I know of the general public, they don't care about all these wheatstone, icy bridge, or drystone benchmarks. It'll be just "Is Intel better than AMD?". If AMD loses its leapfrogging reputation and becomes stereotyped as "not as good as Intel" then the market share will continue to erode to the point where local dealers stop stocking AMD motherboards in depth. When that happens, only the AMD enthusiasts will keep buying AMD and what is that? One percent of the market?
Perhaps users will be more tolerant and simply say "AMD is good enough" and continue to buy AMD. Maybe then AMD will have enough funds to compete. How many times in the past 10 years has AMD had reductions in company size? 5 times? I remember when they had to buckle under due to lack of funds and give up having their own fab labs in the nanometer wars.
As for PR and advertising funding, that is important if the company is to get favorable articles in various magazines. If you are not an advertiser, the magazine tends to ignore you even if you have great product. That is their way of encouraging (greenmailing) you into buying more advertising or paying for junkets. Money does slant articles, so if Intel is the only player, then expect the vast majority of press articles to be about Intel's great products with nary a word about AMD's products.
Lupin:
--- Quote from: AnimeJanai on November 18, 2011, 01:49:35 PM ---Since AMD doesn't have a niche product able to carry the company
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Niche products doesn't carry a company. Volume products does. Retail sales are already small compared to volume ones. Enthusiasts are an even tinier segment of retail. Even in this enthusiast segment, not everyone buys the niche product. A niche product may give the company more profit per sale but the number of sales is miniscule compared to a volume product will low profit per sale.
nstgc:
If you read the entire post from Janai, you would see he was mostly talking about volume sales (% of the market).
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