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Your view on AMD's Bulldozer
nstgc:
I'm sure they will. I have no real evidence to provide support other than "why wouldn't they". Its a system of control they can legitimately market as a feature.
kureshii:
--- Quote from: AnimeJanai on October 06, 2011, 12:09:11 AM ---Is AMD's Bulldozer going to implement an involuntary remote-control disable feature like Intel's Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, etc, already has?
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Unlikely, considering:
1) AMD isn’t really targeting the enterprise administration market, and this is an enterprise-level feature. (AMD vPro, anyone?)
2) AMD products do not have support for Intel AMT features.
3) This is a chipset feature, not CPU feature, and hence is implemented on the chipset, which has little to do with Bulldozer.
4) Bulldozer is using 9-series chipset, which is targeted at consumers and doesn’t support Intel AMT. Even on Intel chipsets, AMT is supported only on Q-series chipsets since Centrino 2.
5) Even if AMD decides to start implementing AMT support, they’d likely go for more useful features first, such as hardware KVM. And on the CPU, better hardware encryption performance, since the remote shutdown feature does not stop an attacker simply removing the hard disk and accessing it via other means.
But back on topic, 6 more days before we see useful reviews (hopefully). We’ll know for sure then.
AnimeJanai:
The future Ivy Bridge (and late model SandyBridge) Intel chips also have hardware to implement "Intel Insider" which is an encrypted secure transmission AND execution path for delivering valued content (streaming video or discrete movies) from an online renter, leasor, or seller to the specific CPU device. I have not read anything about software being purchased and delivered this way, but it sounds like this would be something vendors like Adobe would want for their Photoshop software. Since each CPU has its own hardware serial number, the delivered item can also be cryptologically packed to decompress via hardware only and execute via hardware only. Since instructions will exist that only access hardware registers inside the protected encrypted secure hardware, external software hacks or external emulators will fail for the wide variety of users. Each hack would have to be individually performed because the encrypted item is customized at the server end. So, it will be good for delivery of software such as hollywood media on pay per view or subscription basis.
Added to this is the involuntary remote kill-swtch feature that is part of the VPRO features in both mobile and desktop chips. California police had been seeking remote kill switches for automobiles that were being chased or disabled during an official stop, but that had not met with car maker approval. With Intel chips in the car, perhaps the police could just stop the car this way....
The Sandy Bridge chips with the VPRO features will also be able to involuntarily delete material from the hard drive. While this is desirable if the PC is stolen, it might be useful as part of the Patriot Act as well. Future ultrabook type laptops are speculated to have non-removable integral system drives for the thinnest models which will make this CPU feature of significant use. Ultrabook is a trademarked term by intel describing a future class of powerful notebooks suitable as desktop replacements but also retain ease of portability as a key requirement (thin and lightweight). Ultrabooks may use i3, i5, and i7 type processors.
http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2011/01/intel_insider_-_what_is_it_no.php
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/293845-28-sandy#
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/12/remote-kill-switch-added-to-intel-sandy-bridge/
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369110,00.asp
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2109363/intel-windows-ultrabook
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2109352/intel-looks-forward-ivy-bridge-ultrabooks
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/2109848/intel-extends-influence-cpu-realm
Lupin:
--- Quote from: AnimeJanai on October 06, 2011, 02:12:40 PM ---The future Ivy Bridge (and late model SandyBridge) Intel chips also have hardware to implement "Intel Insider" which is an encrypted secure transmission AND execution path for delivering valued content (streaming video or discrete movies) from an online renter, leasor, or seller to the specific CPU device. I have not read anything about software being purchased and delivered this way, but it sounds like this would be something vendors like Adobe would want for their Photoshop software. Since each CPU has its own hardware serial number, the delivered item can also be cryptologically packed to decompress via hardware only and execute via hardware only. Since instructions will exist that only access hardware registers inside the protected encrypted secure hardware, external software hacks or external emulators will fail for the wide variety of users. Each hack would have to be individually performed because the encrypted item is customized at the server end. So, it will be good for delivery of software such as hollywood media on pay per view or subscription basis.
Added to this is the involuntary remote kill-swtch feature that is part of the VPRO features in both mobile and desktop chips. California police had been seeking remote kill switches for automobiles that were being chased or disabled during an official stop, but that had not met with car maker approval. With Intel chips in the car, perhaps the police could just stop the car this way....
The Sandy Bridge chips with the VPRO features will also be able to involuntarily delete material from the hard drive. While this is desirable if the PC is stolen, it might be useful as part of the Patriot Act as well. Future ultrabook type laptops are speculated to have non-removable integral system drives for the thinnest models which will make this CPU feature of significant use. Ultrabook is a trademarked term by intel describing a future class of powerful notebooks suitable as desktop replacements but also retain ease of portability as a key requirement (thin and lightweight). Ultrabooks may use i3, i5, and i7 type processors.
http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2011/01/intel_insider_-_what_is_it_no.php
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/293845-28-sandy#
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/12/remote-kill-switch-added-to-intel-sandy-bridge/
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369110,00.asp
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2109363/intel-windows-ultrabook
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2109352/intel-looks-forward-ivy-bridge-ultrabooks
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/2109848/intel-extends-influence-cpu-realm
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Is this the same tech they use for those CPUs upgradeable via coupons?
kureshii:
--- Quote from: Lupin on October 06, 2011, 02:24:33 PM ---Is this the same tech they use for those CPUs upgradeable via coupons?
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Nope, that's just hardware locking of resources. Intel Insider is an encryption path implemented in hardware, while AMT is largely hardware implementation of enterprise monitoring and remote control features. Although CPU-locking is in all likelihood done in hardware (i.e. flashing required to unlock chip [insert google link here]), so I guess in that sense it is the “same” technology.
These past few posts are lolsome. All the tinfoil hat paranoia over hardware remote wake/shutdown, and nobody even cares that Intel AMT on Q-series chipsets also have hardware KVM?
And if you’re going to link articles on AMT, at least link some read-worthy ones, like one of TH’s rare useful coverage features.
inb4 Intel fully implements the linux kernel in hardware! [Insert cool pic of chip circuitry with a black box marked “IntelOS™”]
P.S. you know, if Bulldozer had hardware implementation of such enterprise-level features, it would be a steal at its stated price-points ;)
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