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Your view on AMD's Bulldozer

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kureshii:
It is unlikely AMD will die. They might simply exit the desktop space if things really get that bad, and focus on enterprise solutions. But Llano seems to be doing relatively okay.

What we’ve seen from today’s reviews is AMD’s flop in the enthusiast space. It’s not an easy market to compete in, since ‘enthusiast’ requirements don’t overlap all that much with enterprise requirements. AMD doesn’t seem to be able to balance the two requirements as successfully as Intel managed to, and I think increasingly what we’ll see is AMD architecting processors for enterprise/server, and then porting them to the enthusiast space whatever their performance will be. The enthusiast market is a pretty niche market, and between enterprise requirements and benchmarker/overclocker requirements I think we all know which they will pick.



As for the 9-series boards, I fail to see what AMD is thinking. I think they managed to pull a really big PR stunt though; how else would you explain how they managed to get third-party motherboard manufacturers to come up with 30 boards for their FX processors alone? That’s plenty of volume for a chip that’s pretty much nothing more than an 8-series functionality-wise, and we’re looking at $60 for a starter 870 and $95 for a starter 970. (H67 boards start at $85 for a similar feature set).

The PhII builds were popular because they were really cheap: We had the 1100T priced similarly to 2500K, and 8-series boards were cheaper than comparable H67 boards. But AMD just turned this around with Bulldozer, so the 8150 is not a compelling option performance-wise or even price-wise now. Those price cuts had better come, because the only way they can force people to switch at these prices would be to retire the Thubans.

kitamesume:
fair enough, but do note that its not only the enthusiast that are affacted but so is the high and middle-high(where i5-2400 and PhII X4 are), AMD still have plenty to offer on the middle and low end, thankfully(Llano or AthlonII/PhII X2), lowest... well theres the newly appointed E-450.

question: if the FX-8150 just slightly beats a stock i5-2500K then i wonder how'd it compare to the i5-2300 and the likes, would the FX-6xxx be able to compete against the i5-2300?

kureshii:

--- Quote from: kitamesume on October 12, 2011, 11:32:02 AM ---lol ivy bridge, i`m more interested about the 60% boost on IGP, and surely they should have fixed the 24p bug by then.
--- End quote ---
I still doubt Ivy Bridge’s IGP will be game-worthy then, but higher resolution and triple-display support is sweet. The 23.976fps-with-UAC issue is also slated to be resolved in Ivy Bridge, so we just need to see if Intel keeps their word.

[edit] In other news, i7-2700K coming out 24 Oct. MSRP $14 more than 2600K, 100MHz higher clock + Turbo. Why does this excite me more than Bulldozer release when I’m not even planning to buy a Sandy Bridge build? ._.

kitamesume:
its because the LGA2011 is coming out next month? which will rape the LGA1366 990X?

doubt bulldozer would even get a match against the 6(12) sandybridge monsters.

Edit: oh hey good news, the lowest end LGA2011 is 294$, the i7-3820 4(8 ), the advantage is that you'll have 40 PCI-E lanes for a quad SLI/CF.

ColdFission:
Ah yes, the spin doctors are hard at work for AMD's marketing:

AMD FX Processors Go Head To Head

Lol, comments disabled.

AMD FX Processors Unleashed

Ah yes, the proper lashing that AMD more than deserves.

They got one thing right in their 3 word slogan, Bulldozer for the desktop IS unbelievable; unbelievably down right horrible in performance/watt, performance/dollar, performance (IPC) in general, and has made steps BACKWARDS in all 3 in some bechmarks or barely ahead of the Phenom X6 1100T. Why spend on a $270-$280 (guestimated the FX-8150) CPU when you can get one for less than $200 (current price for a 1100T at NCIX) if you are still on the AM3+ platform. If your upgrading from a previous generation platform from either company, why bother going to the AM3+ platform anyway?

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