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Offline Havoc10K

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Re: Guilty Crown [Series]
« Reply #500 on: April 03, 2012, 01:46:18 PM »
Actually I hated both Code Geass and Guilty Crown, but Code Geass actually has less plot holes when Guilty crown is made of them.

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« Reply #501 on: April 03, 2012, 01:49:44 PM »
Actually I hated both Code Geass and Guilty Crown, but Code Geass actually has less plot holes when Guilty crown is made of them.
so, why even bother posting in here? just asking~

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« Reply #502 on: April 03, 2012, 01:50:27 PM »
Ok here it goes.

Code Geass was the real thing. Guilty Crown is a copy. So basically Code geass is much, much better. After you watch it though you won't easily find another anime that comes near to it.

Guilty crown is just a copy and thus ain't that good.

So it's your decision.  If you want to see one of the best anime in lifetime without spoiling anything, watch code geass first (in HD of course!)

If you watch guilty crown first you will expect what you will get from geass, but with quality.

so all in all it's your choice.

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« Reply #503 on: April 03, 2012, 01:51:40 PM »
It's not Strike Witches or Sky Girls quality.
Despite Guilty Crowns shortcomings, Sky Girls is scraping the barrel, complete shit...

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« Reply #504 on: April 03, 2012, 01:53:18 PM »
It's not Strike Witches or Sky Girls quality.
Despite Guilty Crowns shortcomings, Sky Girls is scraping the barrel, complete shit...
I don't remember any plot holes in Sky girls.

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« Reply #505 on: April 03, 2012, 01:54:31 PM »
It's not Strike Witches or Sky Girls quality.
Despite Guilty Crowns shortcomings, Sky Girls is scraping the barrel, complete shit...
I don't remember any plot holes in Sky girls.
Theres no fucking plot for a plot hole to develop, its just pure pedo shit...which is fine if you like that but saying Guilty Crown is worse than that is just ridiculous

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« Reply #506 on: April 03, 2012, 01:57:48 PM »
There is plot actually, solving the mystery behind the attacking entities and stopping them. Solving the mystery behind someone missing as well. It's true that it's filled with lolis and echii, but it's in moderation, however the number of plot holes there is 0, be cause it's properly done, Guilty Crown first arc was decent, but after that everything went WTF with each twist contradicting the previous one. Ending making no sense as well. I'd say, Guilty Crown is the trashiest anime I have ever seen.

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« Reply #507 on: April 03, 2012, 02:10:59 PM »
Plot without substance or development is meaningless...thoug h i find it funny you think its so bad, yet you have apparently watched 725 animes, only 20 of which you deem as 5 star....

Horizon....Dog Days....Chokotto Sister been among them....not sure if serious

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« Reply #508 on: April 03, 2012, 02:36:25 PM »
I look at many factors when I rate my anime, mainly the story, which in the case of Horizon was excellent, in Dog Days I loved the sheer fun factor in it, and the way they resolved their national disputes in a fairly nice competition, I rated Chocotto Sister from a comedy point of view, had a lot of good laughs, but it also has interesting drama. If you took not there are a lot of anime's that are rated very high, but they had one or two things that bothered me so they got slightly below 5 stars.

I should Update the A-P though.

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« Reply #509 on: April 14, 2012, 09:48:43 PM »
Are you guys sure this wasn't good towards the ending? First episode made me go "wow".

Edit - also, Araki Tetsurou was the Director and it's nice to see Production I.G doing more serious work. I'd say it falls back on those two and the 4 Chief Animators for the series.
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« Reply #510 on: April 14, 2012, 10:17:20 PM »
The people who ran it though in one sitting seemed to like it more than people like me who watched it week by week. I'd say all in all, Guilty Crown is worth a watch because it is an entertaining show, but don't set high standards. Fantastic music, character design, artwork etc. but a subpar storyline at the end of it.

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« Reply #511 on: April 15, 2012, 10:36:36 PM »
The people who ran it though in one sitting seemed to like it more than people like me who watched it week by week. I'd say all in all, Guilty Crown is worth a watch because it is an entertaining show, but don't set high standards. Fantastic music, character design, artwork etc. but a subpar storyline at the end of it.
As everything you said. I agree.

10/10 for the series - for everything in it and most of the story (not all of it), excluding the way it was directed in the middle. It did live up to it's name - Guilty (many regrets) Crown (king).

Series did go weak in the middle when Shu met Jun's brother and for a few episodes, then picked up fast. Also, you always gotta keep a mental awareness that these characters, well most of them, are kids. :P If they go haywire or chicken out, well then ... you gotta think about what made them go that way.

Looking forward to the OVA.


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« Reply #512 on: April 16, 2012, 05:35:27 AM »
I suppose you could say that a highschooler can have a mental breakdown and I agree, but having 4 mental breakdowns is a bit much, even Shinji had only 1 serious mental breakdown and a few stressing days.

Somehow your theory about this is contradicted later in the series or even in the first arc.
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Explain to me, since I know your anime girls preferences, why do you like Inori ?

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« Reply #513 on: April 17, 2012, 04:18:37 PM »
1- NOpe
2 - You don't
3  - Inori is having a personality problem.

Personally I think :
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Revisit the lyrics in the songs, her "personality problem" that you claim, her feelings and .. well just about everything. I didn't expect it to end that way, but Inori did the right thing and full-filled her promises and role to the end. The lyrics ... read the lyrics.


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« Reply #514 on: April 22, 2012, 03:57:57 PM »
I meant to post this earlier, but I forgot.

I suppose you could say that a highschooler can have a mental breakdown and I agree, but having 4 mental breakdowns is a bit much, even Shinji had only 1 serious mental breakdown and a few stressing days.

Actually, I think many animes underplay just how crazy some of the situations their people are in. Four mental breakdowns is actually on the light side, if you look at things realistically. Not all people have the same amount of hardiness, and not all people move on very easily. For instance: in real life, you realize that some people really don't ever get over a death? It takes them several years to even achieve some sense of real peace.

Let's face it: Shu isn't a strong person. Gai is. Shu is just a normal guy. You don't really know what the hell a normal person will do in that kind of situation. Even trained soldiers have PTSD after seeing a war.

I kind of find it funny that people get really annoyed when their characters aren't all immovable war machines. It's like a lapse towards unrealistic immovability is seen as an improvement.



That being said, Shu's still the reason this series ended up bad. You just had this one normal kid that got thrust into all of this crazy stuff that he obviously wasn't prepared for. His original motivations were practically, "Let's do something different, because this shit's boring." Well, you're boring, too. Everything that happens regarding him is dull. He acts pretty normally. You can't objectively say the anime is bad because the lead acts like a retard. No, he just acts normally. It may be retarded by IQ standards, but by comparing it to real life, there probably isn't a terribly huge amount of discrepancy (maybe just at a few sections).

The problem is that to me his role felt trivial, because there wasn't a point in his involvement. If they for instance made Gai the protagonist, then Shu could have damn well not existed and the show would have been more interesting. This anime had really good potential, but they chose a horribly dull focal point as the main character. Such a limited protagonist could only do so much. It was like watching a documentary of a guy that got swept up in events horribly beyond his control

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« Reply #515 on: April 22, 2012, 04:01:41 PM »
If you see someone getting mental breakdowns on events that follow up the previous events, that someone is not fit to survive, normal human adapt to new situations, especially a young person would. It's not normal for a young man to continually fall in MB, you need to adapt, if you can't make other peoples dreams come true and fucking die already, if you don't want to die, don't fall in MB and adapt. It took Shu only 4 MBs to adapt, while everyone else took NONE.

Shows who is fit to survive in harsh circumstances.

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« Reply #516 on: April 22, 2012, 04:56:02 PM »
If you see someone getting mental breakdowns on events that follow up the previous events, that someone is not fit to survive, normal human adapt to new situations, especially a young person would.

For the most part he does. You're overexaggerating how many breakdowns he has, and how large they are. He adapted to PLENTY of situations (ie, doing the training, thinking about how to use his powers during training, etc.)

 And no, most people can go their entire lives without having to experience anything like what he had to. Most people would probably die in these situations because they CAN'T adapt that quickly, young or not. Not that it matters, because he had special powers and he was the protagonist.


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It's not normal for a young man to continually fall in MB, you need to adapt, if you can't make other peoples dreams come true and fucking die already, if you don't want to die, don't fall in MB and adapt.
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Yeah, then why don't you get thrust into this and die. Or what, you think you're some kind of hot shit?

A person's ability to adapt depends on a lot of internal factors. He might just be more emotional than most internally. Who knows? Either way, the reason that he didn't die is probably because he had the special powers. IE the fact that he was the main protagonist.

Either way, I don't give a fuck about what you think SHOULD have happened to the main protagonist (ie died). He didn't. And, no, his mental reactions were hardly implausible.



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It took Shu only 4 MBs to adapt, while everyone else took NONE.

Shows who is fit to survive in harsh circumstances.

You're dissing his mental integrity while using everyone else's to support your point, within the same show? You realize in most of these kind of shows only the main protagonist and MAYBE a few close people are even close to well developed. Also, EVERYONE ELSE gets so LITTLE screentime, that you don't know what they're doing in their rooms or anything.

 I think you need to learn what a mental breakdown means.

For all we know the other characters off-screen could have had 10 or more periods where they weren't able to function normally because of stress. Not to mention Shu is AT THE TOP. The amount of stress he suffers, being at the top, is a LOT higher than them. \

If you want me to list out all of the contribution factors of stress in his position, feel free.


Otherwise, stop talking bullshit. I was a bit skeptical responding to someone that used Sky Girls/Strike Witches as a positive example of plot, and you're rapidly affirming my skepticism.

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« Reply #517 on: April 22, 2012, 05:12:42 PM »
Wait, there was some character development in this show ? Shu didn't really grow, Inori HAD NO personality to develop. The only person that had any value was killed. Seriously, even in Code Geass there was character development.

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« Reply #518 on: April 22, 2012, 05:26:09 PM »
Wait, there was some character development in this show ? Shu didn't really grow, Inori HAD NO personality to develop. The only person that had any value was killed. Seriously, even in Code Geass there was character development.

Dunno, that's not really my point. Your argument ended at whether or not him having mental breakdowns was justified/warranted.

Whether they help him develop? Yeah, they do. He has a few mentionable transition periods. A lot of them are just subtle enough to where you're wondering if anything really happened (the net "development" of his character isn't that high).

As for other characters developing? Yes, but very limited. That was what my entire last paragraph was about. They obviously didn't care that much about the other characters.

Inori developed by slowly coming to love Shu. It was super subtle, and happened slowly... which is what they generally do in these kind of shows. The other one was... strangely that slutty blond girl (forgot her name). She developed, alright... in a very strange direction (ie she's crazy).

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Re: Guilty Crown [Series]
« Reply #519 on: April 23, 2012, 07:37:33 PM »
you're wasting your time on Havoc, xShadow.
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