Author Topic: Guilty Crown [Series] (Read 36099 times)

erspong123 · « **Reply #60 on:** October 28, 2011, 10:26:53 AM »

Watched until episode 2 so far. looks epic IMO. And I think Iori-san is sooo MOE!!! Reminds me of Nagato Yuki's blank expression!

Ashall · « **Reply #61 on:** October 28, 2011, 10:55:50 AM »

I think your right about both things.

I am picky about the anime I watch. I notice cliches and they bug me, but I haven't necessarily disliked this show so far. I also realize that a lot of ideas have been already been produced and a completely original story is almost impossible to create. I'll listen to your advice and stop expecting new series to be life changing.

And regarding my signature, I agree I did torture it. The original I created for my demonoid account is actually very nice. You can find it among the first google image searches of "Haruhi Suzumiya banner". It's originally 970 x 200, specs against the rules for the forums here. So when I re-sized it, it came out looking weird and I should honestly remove the border as well as fix the colour saturation. I might go do that today actually...

Havoc10K · « **Reply #62 on:** October 28, 2011, 11:09:24 AM »

Visit the ava/sig thread for some pointers on sigs and maybe request something or just jump into the loop and make a nice sig

As for the show, i just look at the artwork aspect most of the time, clishes are everywhere nowadays so I don't bother myself with them.

Ashall · « **Reply #63 on:** October 28, 2011, 11:23:04 AM »

There I returned it to it's original beauty. yay looks a lot better lmbo

Although there are problems with the IMG code.. I resized this.. sheesh

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #64 on:** October 29, 2011, 01:28:33 AM »

ep 01 and 02 are really similar to Code Geass. . .suddenly the appearance of the black knights (undertakers) . . .pretty damn similar altho this one has its own twist and it seems pretty damn good

ep. 03 ends with a really nice cliffhanger . . .cant wait till next week

AnimeJanai · « **Reply #65 on:** October 29, 2011, 02:18:07 AM »

Maybe Yashiro cleared the field so that he could have clear shot at Inori? Now that the Major is going to deal with the competitor for Inori's affections....

By the way, I like the idea of Production I.G. once again having "the Major" as a character. Episode 3 introducing the Major felt a little like old times with GitS having a Major around....

dbml · « **Reply #66 on:** October 29, 2011, 07:11:12 AM »

This is a heavy series. Seriously. I foresee many deaths! I also see some potential "bad" endings as a possibility.

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And these plot twists. Gotta love 'em! This is Code Geass meets Xam'd. Or Geass meets Scryed? Whatever. Geass + most things = good.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #67 on:** October 29, 2011, 07:39:08 AM »

Waiting for coalguys release, thanks for spoilers, not that it matters much.

Tatsujin · « **Reply #68 on:** October 29, 2011, 08:13:36 AM »

This is 24 episodes or 26 episodes ... ? ... Looking at the date, it seems to end around March of next year.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #69 on:** October 29, 2011, 08:28:51 AM »

Quote from: kristen on October 24, 2011, 01:31:31 PM

22. Noitamina usually works in multiples of 11. Since 2008 the only exception were Library Wars (Spring 2008) and House of Five Leaves (Spring 2010).

^^^^^^^

Ashall · « **Reply #70 on:** October 29, 2011, 02:55:21 PM »

It's from the director of Death Note, so I'm pretty sure there will be plenty of plot twists. I guess it's some what similar to Code Geass but I wouldn't go as far as some of the people here do. Terrorists fighting foreign occupation, a guy who randomly gets a super power and mecha are the similarities I noticed without putting much thought into it. It borrows from a lot of others as well.

I didn't really think Code Geass had that many plot twists actually.. Except for the end I guess. Most of it I kinda predicted beforehand. Like the various events involving Shirley and Rolo (individually and exclusively). I guess what got me most of the time were the traps involving the environment. Guilty Crown has had a couple of twists so far but they're much to cliche to be impressive.

But the biggest difference, to me at least, is that Lelouch is more fit for a lead role than Shu seems to be. Shu kinda gets on my nerves, but I guess that leaves more character development for him. I guess the skittish turned hero never gets old.. I don't think even a single character is at all unique so far.

Guilty Crown reminds me most of Eden of the East and Code Geass in one major way. The whole nationalist swagger the show envelopes. Japan is the victim of the world like always. So terrorism will solve all our problems yay!

And only in anime would the government and a terrorist cell let this guy run free willy-nilly. I laughed at the fact that the undertakers/Funeral Parlor (both translations I've seen) let Shu walk off after he stole their genetic weapon and the fact he just wiped out all those GHQ soldiers five minutes before, yet he walks away from an extended hand offering him a new life.. I think your kinda stuck with them after that, but Shu has other intentions like school yay!

Why do I always sound like I'm bad mouthing this? I guess I'm still thinking to hard about this show.

newy · « **Reply #71 on:** October 29, 2011, 03:19:10 PM »

Plot twists depend on the script writer, not the director.

Ashall · « **Reply #72 on:** October 29, 2011, 03:37:02 PM »

Quote from: newy on October 29, 2011, 03:19:10 PM

Plot twists depend on the script writer, not the director.

Since this is an original work, the director might have more say with this anime and considering their experience with the plot twist filled Death Note, they might be inclined to throw some in. But what does a Theatre Arts minor know, ne?

AnimeJanai · « **Reply #73 on:** October 31, 2011, 09:26:00 AM »

All the talk seems to be like those "attack fads" or "praise fads" that appear from time to time. There was a praise fad for Heartcatch PreCure cleverly started on 4chan and it sprung up like wildfire and spread. There was that attack fad in the early days of GitS but that was overturned fairly quickly. But it was amusing to see people parroting it out of feeling smart for following that fad.

A lot of people on 4chan who post about how predictable the plot is are misusing the word. What they actually mean is that they have seen parts of GC in other shows. For example, the beautiful girl is hurt, there is a robot, bombs explode, blood appears, etcetera.

Now, let's have a unique anime show. Remove all blood, all fire, all water, all people, all cars, all robots, all ground, all air, all metal, all electricity, all guns, etcetera because they are all predictable and things we've seen over and over and over and over again.

Anyways, familiarity of similar items does NOT equal predictable even though a ton of 4channers misuse the term that way. If you look at Guilty Crown for discrete events, then you might analyze the show in terms of being a sequence of events A, B, C....Z...AA, BB...ZZ, etcetera. Discrete event A was reminiscent from CCS, B was from macross frontier, C was from Bubblegum Crisis, D reminded you of Code Geass, etc. I find many parts of Guilty Crown familiar, but not predictable. If you had challenged those people who said the plot was predictable, then after watching episode 1, they should have been able to outline episode 2 without watching it. I bet they can't. Their complaints about predictability only occurs AFTER they have seen it and that makes it hypocrisy. It seems more of that "I look cool and get attention for dissing a hot looking show" especially since the people who say it sucks keep on watching it.

All these people claim that the show sucks so much that it forces them to AVIDLY and EAGERLY wait for it to appear and they boldly CHEER HURRAH when the subs appear and they skip work just to download it and accept no interruptions in their life in order to INTENSELY watch the show with GREAT ENTHUSIASM before they then pronounce to the world "This episode sucks and was soooo predictable!"

Ashall · « **Reply #74 on:** October 31, 2011, 10:40:00 AM »

You do have very valid points and yes there will always be matters of each person's opinion. But I wasn't aware of a fad to dislike or like an anime.. I don't think people are that shallow and mindless though. There are and will be anime that are disliked and liked no matter what a review says or their buddy says. I mean I dislike GitS and most people love it, but I don't go trolling around about it.

And yes I stated previously that an original idea is almost impossible to create in this day and age. We will always be borrowing something from the past whether we realize it or not. I said the plot of GC has been predictable so far, not because I fully watched an episode and said "oh how predictable" without any basis of argument; it's when a cliche is present you can almost tell exactly what will happen next and what you thought was going to happen, happens. That's when you say "oh how predictable". And it isn't just one cliche, GC has many. I think various people who like and dislike this show so far could easily agree that such cliches are present.

I haven't said that GC sucks, I just wanted to point out that many cliches are present and are disappointing to see. I don't see any hypocrisy in my words. I'll keep watching this not because I look cool and get attention for dissing a hot looking show, but rather I have hope it will be a good anime.

Once I start something I finish it. It's kind of chasing the dragon, although I did this with This Ugly Yet Beautiful World and found my most hated anime of all time. I was hoping the next episode would be good one after another and was disappointed over and over again. Guilty Crown is not that bad, it's just a little cliche. But a lot of series I like have had such "average" starts so I won't abandon GC.

And oh btw I'm not some otaku that lays at home all day, I've only seen about 50-60 anime series (probably a little less and over a span of three or four years). Most of which are not in the same genre as this, yet I see this as predictable.

Sorry for such a long retaliation but when you step on a snake you get bit. Xin loi <3

Havoc10K · « **Reply #75 on:** October 31, 2011, 11:47:53 AM »

I kind of like this show cuz I miss some of that shit happening in it. Repetitive or not.

AnimeJanai · « **Reply #76 on:** October 31, 2011, 09:04:49 PM »

Quote from: Ashall

But the biggest difference, to me at least, is that Lelouch is more fit for a lead role than Shu seems to be. Shu kinda gets on my nerves, but I guess that leaves more character development for him. I guess the skittish turned hero never gets old.. I don't think even a single character is at all unique so far.

Shu was not born into an autocrat family nor surrounded by nobility born to rule lesser humans. Shu is a JAPANESE STUDENT intending to be another complacent cog in the machine. So, when viewers require Shu to be immediately a dashing hero with Inori at this side, it's going to take some time for Shu to wake up and Occupy GenomeStreet as it were.

Naturally, Shu sucks if his activity, leadership, or aggressiveness is judged from a Klingon perspective. If judged from a Pokemon Master perspective, his initiative to take on new fights is lacking, but Pokemon Masters could be like that since they lived in a country where lolitas wander alone with zero fear of rape, thievery, and a place to eat, sleep, and wash up. Shu's not even up to the level of Sakura Kinomoto but of course Sakura had several trusted friends always sticking with her. Shu basically has no parents, no advisors, and lives alone. The male students at school are pretty self-centered so they suck as people on his side. His mother is quite obviously one of the conservatives supporting the military government since she is a scientist working with the manipulation of human genome expressions. But if you look at Shu from the perspective of a privileged student civilian japanese citizen, he's doing pretty well all things considered.

It really would be great if the elites could finally make a genome expression that could be released into the wild. Only the elites who were vaccinated would be spared from the effect with the justification that the docile population needed shepards to watch over them. But maybe that is for the second season of this series that all so many claim is predictable.

Oh well, at least Shu has the reliable good-natured Yashiro as his friend at school. If not for Yashiro, Shu's friends would all be selfish self-oriented brash students.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #77 on:** October 31, 2011, 09:34:33 PM »

If not for the fact that he

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, but that is to be predictable since he promised, and we know japanese teenagers don't brake promises right ?

Ashall · « **Reply #78 on:** November 01, 2011, 02:10:01 AM »

Quote from: Havoc10K on October 31, 2011, 09:34:33 PM

If not for the fact that he
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fucked him over
, but that is to be predictable since he promised, and we know japanese teenagers don't brake promises right ?

yah I'm guessing he hasn't watched the third episode yet..

And his arguments are getting stranger and stranger, all you had to do was point out the different upbringings yet he just goes all over the place.

Well I'm done arguing about Guilty Crown, I'm pretty sure this annoying other people as well. Sorry for being such a critic especially since I have no grounds to do so. I'm tired of sounding like I hate this show, I was just a little disappointed with the cliches. So sorry again, I post on the forums to share my point of view not to start fights.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #79 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:59:53 AM »

Well, like I said, don't expect anything cuz that only brings disappointments in anime.
Do that and you can enjoy even the shittiest show

Also he addressed most people that talk about clishes and repeating stuff, and quite frankly, if you were on IRC that day, you would know my opinion, his words are quite mild and tame. I have a screenshot of it, and i'll keep it so I can LOL at myself for trying to post that

Now I wonder how he will get out of this situation, I'm pretty sure the undertakers or what their name was will just pop up and save his little ass.