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Pop Artists Are Made Obsolete
vuzedome:
Looks like someone just came out of their cave.
mgz:
really the vocals sound like shit its like if you took a mediocre pop star that was already overproduced and then added production x10
it just sounds bad.
rostheferret:
--- Quote from: mgz on October 20, 2011, 10:05:02 AM ---really the vocals sound like shit its like if you took a mediocre pop star that was already overproduced and then added production x10
it just sounds bad.
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I think some of it is pretty catchy, but I guess for me it's all about the implications. If we could perfect the sound of human voice then suddenly we could start to see a focus shift; it'll no longer be about the physical performance but the composition. It doesn't matter if you can shred like malmsteen if it sounds dreadful, by taking away the limitations on composers to play their specific instruments, we can end up with more classical-esque compositions filled with any instrument the artist thinks necessary. I was initially so anti-electronic and pro-analog that I found the idea of someone 'faking it' with a computer offensive, but it can be used to produce something incredible (proof!). And that to me is pretty exciting; that fantastic composers won't be hindered by that shitty vocalist that he's stuck with because he can't find anyone better. Conventional bands will still exist, but there will be a new important member of the line-up, the composer, and tbh Japan is probably going to lead the way. They're the furthest with the vocaloid technology, the most open about the songwriting credits, and I know of nowhere else with such a blossoming ambient scene making use of electronic instrumentation.
mgz:
--- Quote from: rostheferret on October 20, 2011, 10:43:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: mgz on October 20, 2011, 10:05:02 AM ---really the vocals sound like shit its like if you took a mediocre pop star that was already overproduced and then added production x10
it just sounds bad.
--- End quote ---
I think some of it is pretty catchy, but I guess for me it's all about the implications. If we could perfect the sound of human voice then suddenly we could start to see a focus shift; it'll no longer be about the physical performance but the composition. It doesn't matter if you can shred like malmsteen if it sounds dreadful, by taking away the limitations on composers to play their specific instruments, we can end up with more classical-esque compositions filled with any instrument the artist thinks necessary. I was initially so anti-electronic and pro-analog that I found the idea of someone 'faking it' with a computer offensive, but it can be used to produce something incredible (proof!). And that to me is pretty exciting; that fantastic composers won't be hindered by that shitty vocalist that he's stuck with because he can't find anyone better. Conventional bands will still exist, but there will be a new important member of the line-up, the composer, and tbh Japan is probably going to lead the way. They're the furthest with the vocaloid technology, the most open about the songwriting credits, and I know of nowhere else with such a blossoming ambient scene making use of electronic instrumentation.
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im not saying electronic = bad
im saying that vocaloids at their current state sound like garbage.
The overproduced part is just one of the ways i can think of to describe it. It sounds like autotuned people that have been autotuned to the Nth degree. And i simply dislike it A LOT.
As for computerized music thats fine it can showcase composers better. But the ability to play things is a huge plus.
rostheferret:
--- Quote from: mgz on October 20, 2011, 11:00:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: rostheferret on October 20, 2011, 10:43:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: mgz on October 20, 2011, 10:05:02 AM ---really the vocals sound like shit its like if you took a mediocre pop star that was already overproduced and then added production x10
it just sounds bad.
--- End quote ---
I think some of it is pretty catchy, but I guess for me it's all about the implications. If we could perfect the sound of human voice then suddenly we could start to see a focus shift; it'll no longer be about the physical performance but the composition. It doesn't matter if you can shred like malmsteen if it sounds dreadful, by taking away the limitations on composers to play their specific instruments, we can end up with more classical-esque compositions filled with any instrument the artist thinks necessary. I was initially so anti-electronic and pro-analog that I found the idea of someone 'faking it' with a computer offensive, but it can be used to produce something incredible (proof!). And that to me is pretty exciting; that fantastic composers won't be hindered by that shitty vocalist that he's stuck with because he can't find anyone better. Conventional bands will still exist, but there will be a new important member of the line-up, the composer, and tbh Japan is probably going to lead the way. They're the furthest with the vocaloid technology, the most open about the songwriting credits, and I know of nowhere else with such a blossoming ambient scene making use of electronic instrumentation.
--- End quote ---
im not saying electronic = bad
im saying that vocaloids at their current state sound like garbage.
The overproduced part is just one of the ways i can think of to describe it. It sounds like autotuned people that have been autotuned to the Nth degree. And i simply dislike it A LOT.
As for computerized music thats fine it can showcase composers better. But the ability to play things is a huge plus.
--- End quote ---
I don't think the ability to actually play music is ever going to disappear. Samuel Barber is one of the most famous modern american composers, and he once wrote a piece that was described as 'impossible to perform.' It took him a year, but he finally found someone who could perform it. Can you blame them? Or a more modern example would be Protest the Hero, who wrote their first album using ProTools then spend the best part of three years learning how to actually play the bleedin' thing. I don't see why this sort of thing couldn't be more widespread.
As for the autotuning, a lot of pop bands sound produced to all hell to my ears, Vocaloid or not. I've kinda become used to it, it only sounds marginally worse than say, Perfume does imo. Personally, I miss the days when vocalists actually had discernible quirks rather than always sounding pitch perfect every time. Music is never perfect, so leave the grit and the dirt in and let it remain sounding human.
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