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Offline Dhruv

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #10100 on: June 17, 2012, 10:29:19 AM »
And why shouldn't they? A death of a relative or that of a friend is not in the least bit convenient. You likely had hopes or plans for them. Them just croaking all of a sudden is a great and selfish annoyance.
I just think that it is wrong...
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #10101 on: June 17, 2012, 01:48:45 PM »
happy you
Up till my brother wedding 2 years ago I had only gone to funerals. I had a quote of at least one funeral per year since I was 14-15 >_>
I think now that spell is broken...well I hope. I am sick and tired of funerals.
At first they were quite fun, its is interesting to watch people at funerals, for some reason then they do not work so hard on hiding their emotions (the oens that show on face) good or bad.
What i think is that all the people who are there at the funeral are selfish...
i mean they think about only themselves
how are they gonna live without the person..
or how bad their life is gonna be without him/her
see...reeking of selfishness

That's not true...

A lot of the people there think about the time had with the person.  Nothing selfish about that.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #10102 on: June 17, 2012, 01:49:49 PM »
Wow, some of you folks have a really skewed way of looking at things.  There's nothing wrong with feeling pain and sadness at the death of someone close to you.  There's nothing wrong with crying at funerals either.  It's not selfish, it's not a matter of inconvenience, it's not necessarily about self-pity -- it's simply a normal human reaction.  People deal with death and with grief in different ways.  All of these blanket statements about what grief is or isn't are pointless.  People should be judged as individuals.
 
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The more I think about it, frankly, the more I find it offensive that some of you seem to trivialize grief over the death of a loved one.  It's a deeply personal experience, and if you're going to judge someone on their reactions to personal loss, look to yourself first.
 
 
As for what funerals are... if you really think it's only about the dead person, you've missed the point.  Funerals are about a lot of things.  They are a symbolic chance to say goodbye to the person who's left.  They are a chance for family members & friends to grieve together; the weight of grief can be lessened in the sharing of it.  Funerals are an opportunity to publicly celebrate the good things in the dead person's life, to remember them, and they provide an opportunity for each person to reflect on the lives of themselves and their loved ones.  Symbolism and ritual are hugely important to some people, and there are few rituals that are more personal than weddings and funerals.  Not everyone is capable of deep self-reflection, and these types of events can help individuals bring their feelings into focus.
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« Reply #10103 on: June 17, 2012, 02:22:03 PM »
happy you
Up till my brother wedding 2 years ago I had only gone to funerals. I had a quote of at least one funeral per year since I was 14-15 >_>
I think now that spell is broken...well I hope. I am sick and tired of funerals.
At first they were quite fun, its is interesting to watch people at funerals, for some reason then they do not work so hard on hiding their emotions (the oens that show on face) good or bad.
What i think is that all the people who are there at the funeral are selfish...
i mean they think about only themselves
how are they gonna live without the person..
or how bad their life is gonna be without him/her
see...reeking of selfishness

What you're describing is not exactly selfishness, actually.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #10104 on: June 17, 2012, 02:28:47 PM »
I hope that people have fun at my funeral. I would hate for it to be a somber event.

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« Reply #10105 on: June 17, 2012, 03:01:02 PM »
What you're describing is not exactly selfishness, actually.
Then what is it? Please tell us your viewpoint :)

I hope that people have fun at my funeral. I would hate for it to be a somber event.
Yup...Funeral is actually the last time you ever get to see that guys face in reality and the last time gather together for him
You need to keep it as a good event instead of just crying around for your own loss
And my thinking is not skewed Ixarku :)
i am not referring to people like yourself whose really close relation has passed away
i am talking about those unknown leeches :)
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #10106 on: June 17, 2012, 03:47:23 PM »
What you're describing is not exactly selfishness, actually.
Then what is it? Please tell us your viewpoint :)

I hope that people have fun at my funeral. I would hate for it to be a somber event.
Yup...Funeral is actually the last time you ever get to see that guys face in reality and the last time gather together for him
You need to keep it as a good event instead of just crying around for your own loss
And my thinking is not skewed Ixarku :)
i am not referring to people like yourself whose really close relation has passed away
i am talking about those unknown leeches :)

How they'll live without said person is more of figuring how to minimize their own miseries and such (having enough brain power to figure out anything at all is strength, and being affected person's death normally means they cared for the person); how 'bad' their lives are going to be is more of them thinking that said person actually meant something. This, assuming "they" are at least sincere.

Add in the context that those who cried a lot had been distancing themselves from dead person, then I'd assert they were selfish ;).

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« Reply #10107 on: June 17, 2012, 04:12:08 PM »
What you're describing is not exactly selfishness, actually.
Then what is it? Please tell us your viewpoint :)

I hope that people have fun at my funeral. I would hate for it to be a somber event.
Yup...Funeral is actually the last time you ever get to see that guys face in reality and the last time gather together for him
You need to keep it as a good event instead of just crying around for your own loss
And my thinking is not skewed Ixarku :)
i am not referring to people like yourself whose really close relation has passed away
i am talking about those unknown leeches :)

How they'll live without said person is more of figuring how to minimize their own miseries and such (having enough brain power to figure out anything at all is strength, and being affected person's death normally means they cared for the person); how 'bad' their lives are going to be is more of them thinking that said person actually meant something. This, assuming "they" are at least sincere.

Add in the context that those who cried a lot had been distancing themselves from dead person, then I'd assert they were selfish ;).
i referred to them as unknown leeches :)
Obviously you do feel alone without your parents and it does hurt and makes you wanna cry
IT can't be helped in that case
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #10108 on: June 17, 2012, 04:21:45 PM »
Wow, some of you folks have a really skewed way of looking at things.  There's nothing wrong with feeling pain and sadness at the death of someone close to you.  There's nothing wrong with crying at funerals either.  It's not selfish, it's not a matter of inconvenience, it's not necessarily about self-pity -- it's simply a normal human reaction.  People deal with death and with grief in different ways.  All of these blanket statements about what grief is or isn't are pointless.  People should be judged as individuals.
 
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The more I think about it, frankly, the more I find it offensive that some of you seem to trivialize grief over the death of a loved one.  It's a deeply personal experience, and if you're going to judge someone on their reactions to personal loss, look to yourself first.
 
 
As for what funerals are... if you really think it's only about the dead person, you've missed the point.  Funerals are about a lot of things.  They are a symbolic chance to say goodbye to the person who's left.  They are a chance for family members & friends to grieve together; the weight of grief can be lessened in the sharing of it.  Funerals are an opportunity to publicly celebrate the good things in the dead person's life, to remember them, and they provide an opportunity for each person to reflect on the lives of themselves and their loved ones.  Symbolism and ritual are hugely important to some people, and there are few rituals that are more personal than weddings and funerals.  Not everyone is capable of deep self-reflection, and these types of events can help individuals bring their feelings into focus.

I suppose it depends on the person, yes. To you, it was a sudden experience; You lost a lot of people in a short time frame. However, I've had the opposite.

I've lost a lot of people I had a close relationship with over an extended one and I lose another one every two or so years. Kids don't come soon in my family, I was born when my mother hit her 30's and so was she; and by the looks of things, that's roughly the usual for us. Given a literal difference of a generation, between the well... generations. The young ones are only really conscious of their surroundings by the time the elders and the grandparents have been pensioners for quite a while and needless to say, they don't last much after that. I've also lost one of my parents a while back. Given the sum of those experiences added with those of my dead pets and the fact that I've had the lovely pleasure of working at a morgue for a few months during my formative years - death loses it's significance quite fast. At the moment, a funeral is two things to me, an official good bye and a nuisance.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #10109 on: June 17, 2012, 04:23:20 PM »
I insist that everyone dances the macarena at my funeral...
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« Reply #10110 on: June 17, 2012, 04:24:43 PM »
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I insist that everyone dances the macarena at my funeral...
I refuse, i'm a bad dancer.

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« Reply #10111 on: June 17, 2012, 04:26:17 PM »
I insist that everyone dances the macarena at my funeral...

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« Reply #10112 on: June 17, 2012, 04:26:55 PM »
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I insist that everyone dances the macarena at my funeral...
I refuse, i'm a bad dancer.

The macarena is at least one of the easier dances for bad dancers to dance..?
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #10113 on: June 17, 2012, 04:28:27 PM »
Like I said on IRC, my rep is low as it is, my dancing would make it negative :)

And it's infectious too :)

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #10114 on: June 17, 2012, 04:28:44 PM »
I insist that everyone dances the macarena at my funeral...
Nothing about a bad dancer
i Dunno how to dance :P
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #10115 on: June 18, 2012, 07:38:42 AM »
Funerals are for the people left behind, the dead don't care.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #10116 on: June 18, 2012, 07:51:20 AM »
Uplifting topic that's discussed, can't you talk about the joys of summervacation instead?
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« Reply #10117 on: June 18, 2012, 08:00:40 AM »
Uplifting topic that's discussed, can't you talk about the joys of summervacation instead?

Not much joy here concerning summer vacation, I got two rejected internship applications here and now I need a summer job in order to make those ten weeks go by. Currently looking at various bookshops, maybe I can get a job there.

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« Reply #10118 on: June 18, 2012, 08:12:10 AM »
Some of us actually have stuff to do during the summer. No vacations.  :-\

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« Reply #10119 on: June 18, 2012, 08:12:51 AM »
I'll have vacation
in august.