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Offline Havoc10K

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #12020 on: August 17, 2012, 02:19:00 PM »
How many X's are there in the definition of Human Female ?
The answer is :
2 X Chromosomes define a human Female.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #12021 on: August 17, 2012, 02:30:55 PM »
and here I thought it was 2 other things that defined a female.

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« Reply #12022 on: August 17, 2012, 03:20:22 PM »
Not completely.

While it is true that a Female is generally defined by two X chromosomes. It is by no means universal.

The "default" state for a human body is female and unless it is affected by testosterone, it will remain female. There are variations, wherein immunity to testosterone is gained and under such conditions, all specimens will be female, whether their actual genotype corresponds to XX, XO, XY or whatever else mutation.

Likewise, the opposite also exists, wherein the body is hypersensitive to testosterone, in which case, all the specimens will be male, regardless of their genotype.

So a more correct answer for practically defining as to what is a female and what is not could be made to be the resistance of testosterone and it's availability in the body.

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« Reply #12023 on: August 17, 2012, 03:24:29 PM »
XO or XY is no longer a human female, but a mutation out of necessity, I have no idea what an XO is but an XY is a male, so automatically, a male is not a female, which presents my answer true, XX is the definition of a Human Female.

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« Reply #12024 on: August 17, 2012, 03:33:28 PM »
Kabuki theater... I just cant explain what i felt... This was the best event i attended during last years. So many emotions, so much effort.. I cant explain with words. Will post photos as soon as I get home.
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« Reply #12025 on: August 17, 2012, 03:36:42 PM »
^How is this related to females?

And Havoc i never expected something this knowledgeable from you hence i missed the point.... :P
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #12026 on: August 17, 2012, 03:40:23 PM »
Dhruv, dilligaf what about you are talking right now?
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 2
« Reply #12027 on: August 17, 2012, 03:46:39 PM »
* Dhruv headdesk

Apparently not. :)
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« Reply #12028 on: August 17, 2012, 03:49:44 PM »
XO or XY is no longer a human female, but a mutation out of necessity, I have no idea what an XO is but an XY is a male, so automatically, a male is not a female, which presents my answer true, XX is the definition of a Human Female.

However, in said cases, even if the specimen has XY chromosomes. He does not exhibit any primary or secondary male characteristics. They are all female.

XO is shorthand term for monosomia. Wherein the specimen only has a single X chromosome and nothing else.

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« Reply #12029 on: August 17, 2012, 03:52:35 PM »
^You seem to know about all this. Can you explain to me what combination of chromosomes may be present in Hermaphrodites?
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« Reply #12030 on: August 17, 2012, 04:02:07 PM »
Pseudo-hermaphroditism, more often than not is cause by drugs and pollution, than by genetics. However, in genetic cases, the specimens tend to have both the XX and the XY sets.
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« Reply #12031 on: August 17, 2012, 04:12:31 PM »
Kabuki theater... I just cant explain what i felt... This was the best event i attended during last years. So many emotions, so much effort.. I cant explain with words. Will post photos as soon as I get home.
I have one short word for Kabuki Theatre!
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« Reply #12032 on: August 17, 2012, 04:15:13 PM »
Kabuki theater... I just cant explain what i felt... This was the best event i attended during last years. So many emotions, so much effort.. I cant explain with words. Will post photos as soon as I get home.
I have one short word for Kabuki Theatre!
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Exactly!!!!!
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« Reply #12033 on: August 17, 2012, 04:29:56 PM »
Pseudo-hermaphroditism, more often than not is cause by drugs and pollution, than by genetics. However, in genetic cases, the specimens tend to have both the XX and the XY sets.
I thought it was mainly because of genetics only... And i also thought maybe they had YY set if such a thing actually existed as none other combination was possible. Ofcourse i never considered the possibility of a person having 2 sets of chromosomes. Hence the misconception.

Kabuki theater... I just cant explain what i felt... This was the best event i attended during last years. So many emotions, so much effort.. I cant explain with words. Will post photos as soon as I get home.
I have one short word for Kabuki Theatre!
(click to show/hide)
I have never seen a Kabuki theater myself.... and i don't think i can find any over here. Maybe i'll just look up some videos on Youtube.
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« Reply #12034 on: August 17, 2012, 04:32:30 PM »
Pseudo-hermaphroditism, more often than not is cause by drugs and pollution, than by genetics. However, in genetic cases, the specimens tend to have both the XX and the XY sets.
I thought it was mainly because of genetics only... And i also thought maybe they had YY set if such a thing actually existed as none other combination was possible. Ofcourse i never considered the possibility of a person having 2 sets of chromosomes. Hence the misconception.

The Y chromosome is miniscule and it holds very little information. Like 20 genes. A linving, non vegatable body, simply wouldn't be capable of forming without an X chromosome.

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« Reply #12035 on: August 17, 2012, 04:36:04 PM »
Pseudo-hermaphroditism, more often than not is cause by drugs and pollution, than by genetics. However, in genetic cases, the specimens tend to have both the XX and the XY sets.
I thought it was mainly because of genetics only... And i also thought maybe they had YY set if such a thing actually existed as none other combination was possible. Ofcourse i never considered the possibility of a person having 2 sets of chromosomes. Hence the misconception.

The Y chromosome is miniscule and it holds very little information. Like 20 genes. A linving, non vegatable body, simply wouldn't be capable of forming without an X chromosome.
Ohh... i think i got it now... Thanks :)
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« Reply #12036 on: August 17, 2012, 04:51:42 PM »
"Dual-Gender" among humans is a mutation not only caused by pollution or radiation, it is also caused by severely damaged chromosomes, i seen a documentary movie about it on Discovery Science some time ago.

While being an "unwanted" mutation seen by human scientists and common folk, some believe it is actually nature's stance on human evolution. The fact that there are so few of living specimens of both gender humans (altered surgically to be a single gender or otherwise hiding) means that nature itself is taking an option into consideration, whether it's accepted by humans or not, if nature itself will decide this is the course we should go, we have little to say about it 20.000 years in the future.

But the basic idea is, XX chromosome is defining a human Female right now, any other change is resulting in subject not being a female.

I see the question I stated earlier gives as much problem to answer as I expected it to be, however in many groups I tried that, I get different areas of answers, here on forums we met on genetic area, when at work, I landed on different language notions and their dictionary explanations. I found those boring explanations which make me question the logical ability of my co-workers, here at least I can have an interesting discussion on the field.


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« Reply #12037 on: August 17, 2012, 05:34:52 PM »
Well I can say that I contributed nothing to the topic. But as far as accepting the dual gender goes our country is far from it. They are usually thrown away by their parents when born or sent to some particular home to them. They usually roam around in the streets mostly begging but some are rich too Paying college students to teach them how to use blackberry messenger. But this is irrelevant.

But i still have my doubts over Dual Gender evolution stufthoughts pollution though I agree about the radiation and damaged chromosomes part. Can you tell me how chromosomes can be damaged?
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« Reply #12038 on: August 17, 2012, 06:14:08 PM »
But i still have my doubts over Dual Gender evolution stufthoughts pollution though I agree about the radiation and damaged chromosomes part. Can you tell me how chromosomes can be damaged?

Generally, cancerogens/radiation/erroneous copying/misaligned chromosomal crossovers. For the actual genes in a chromosome.

Misalignments in the first and second Metaphase/Anaphase of meiosis for polysomia and monosomia.



As for a trend in evolution - I disagree. Firstly, I have no knowledge of a single case in history of a specimen with fully developed male and female sex organs. The best they can hope for is for one of them to be mostly developed. I am also pretty darn certain that such a specimen would be infertile. At the very least, I haven't come upon a case that wouldn't be. Most of the surgeries done on kids like these are not optional. The organs are underdeveloped and non-functioning and they pose great risk to their own life. A healthy "unmodified" hermaphrodite human is an exception amongst exceptions. While 20000 years is a bit too long a time frame to say anything for sure, but I do not believe that we will become a hermaphroditic species. At the very least without genetic engineering.
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« Reply #12039 on: August 17, 2012, 06:21:55 PM »
Pollution has a large credit in making mankind more retarded as it goes, the DAWN syndrome (did i spell it right ?) was not even encountered in the stage of before "jesus" and soon after, but as pollution gained power, many "civilization diseases" started to show it's interest in our downfall.

Pollution of every kind leads to this:
Generally, cancerogens/radiation/erroneous copying/misaligned chromosomal crossovers. For the actual genes in a chromosome.

Misalignments in the first and second Metaphase/Anaphase of meiosis for polysomia and monosomia.

As well as inbreeding in the old times that did happen, and no one can convince me otherwise.

There is also viral research and DNA modification of foods and crops that (yet unproven) may have some impact on our DNA code stability. Everything that mankind makes is a double edged sword, HIV for that matter is believed to be man made weapon that went out of control, I'm not sure if it's correct, it could be a heavily mutated virus, and old, fossil that revived and roams on this planet, or our own planets defence system against us humans which may be freely considered pests at this point. Not a single fuck is given from my side for every human dead on this or any other world as far as I'm concerned.