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« Reply #7820 on: April 13, 2012, 03:28:03 PM »
Well shit, I only need 32% on my physics exam. This should be a fun time, considering he's probably gunna have to scale it by about 10%. Thank god my class learnt even less then I.

Isn't that pretty much how all physics classes for non physics majors or asians are done?

Generally, anything above 70% nets you in the top 5 spot.

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« Reply #7821 on: April 13, 2012, 05:35:09 PM »
Well shit, I only need 32% on my physics exam. This should be a fun time, considering he's probably gunna have to scale it by about 10%. Thank god my class learnt even less then I.

Isn't that pretty much how all physics classes for non physics majors or asians are done?

Generally, anything above 70% nets you in the top 5 spot.

Alright so 60% of the test was on something we did in a class.

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« Reply #7822 on: April 13, 2012, 07:15:56 PM »
I am going to be taking physics (probably honors) next year. I heard from some people that is hard as fuck and from others that it is the easiest thing ever. I am scared of what I am going to find.

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« Reply #7823 on: April 13, 2012, 07:25:35 PM »
I am going to be taking physics (probably honors) next year. I heard from some people that is hard as fuck and from others that it is the easiest thing ever. I am scared of what I am going to find.

Answer me this, can you understand abstract ideas and enjoy puzzles?

If yes, it's going to be the easiest shit ever.
If no, you gonna burn bitch.

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« Reply #7824 on: April 13, 2012, 07:26:34 PM »
My answer is yes. I feel a little better.

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« Reply #7825 on: April 13, 2012, 08:04:38 PM »
My answer is yes. I feel a little better.

Good, now then. Do you like playing with formulae? If the answer to that is yes as well, then you'll probably average out in the high 80s

If not, then you will get enough to pass.

That's pretty much all that's to it. Don't take your cue on the subject from the discovery channel or "popularization of science" media thought. Physics is not nice sounding theories and hypothesis, physics is a metric shit-ton of formulae.
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« Reply #7826 on: April 13, 2012, 08:19:02 PM »
Well knowing my school, I will probably not do anything.

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« Reply #7827 on: April 13, 2012, 09:05:50 PM »
My answer is yes. I feel a little better.

Good, now then. Do you like playing with formulae? If the answer to that is yes as well, then you'll probably average out in the high 80s

If not, then you will get enough to pass.

That's pretty much all that's to it. Don't take your cue on the subject from the discovery channel or "popularization of science" media thought. Physics is not nice sounding theories and hypothesis, physics is a metric shit-ton of formulae.

Yeah, you can either understand the concepts or just be able to do math, either one will get you far enough into physics as you need for most degrees.

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« Reply #7828 on: April 13, 2012, 09:13:49 PM »
I hate math, yet studied physics after high school. The ways of brain are mysterious.
I don't want to sound discouraging tho, but the "You like difficult puzzles" and "You have abstract thinking" will help you about as much as being able to say alphabet at 3.
The formulae part applies tho. Or more like is non-optional.
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« Reply #7829 on: April 13, 2012, 09:32:44 PM »
I prefer math, physics, chemistry and biology, specially that last one. I'm a dumb on humanities, I mean, my grades aren't terrible in this area, but the diference is visible.

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« Reply #7830 on: April 13, 2012, 09:33:39 PM »
I hate math, yet studied physics after high school. The ways of brain are mysterious.
I don't want to sound discouraging tho, but the "You like difficult puzzles" and "You have abstract thinking" will help you about as much as being able to say alphabet at 3.
The formulae part applies tho. Or more like is non-optional.

I love the concepts in physics much more than the math, and I still have an amateur's interest in the subject.  Once upon a time, I wanted to be a physicist.  I took math all the way up through 4 semesters of calculus in college, got into the 3000-level physics classes, and realized I was completely unprepared to be a scientist, and dropped out of the program.  Frankly, I don't know what in the hell I was thinking to get that far into it without realizing sooner that it wasn't for me.  I'm just fortunate that I got into software testing later a few years later; at least I've made a decent career out of that so far.
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« Reply #7831 on: April 13, 2012, 09:43:57 PM »
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I love the concepts in physics much more than the math, and I still have an amateur's interest in the subject.  Once upon a time, I wanted to be a physicist.  I took math all the way up through 4 semesters of calculus in college, got into the 3000-level physics classes, and realized I was completely unprepared to be a scientist, and dropped out of the program.  Frankly, I don't know what in the hell I was thinking to get that far into it without realizing sooner that it wasn't for me.  I'm just fortunate that I got into software testing later a few years later; at least I've made a decent career out of that so far.
Well, I think I never liked math because it's abstract, but in this case I mean abstract as in it means nothig. It explains nothing. Math is usefull for the math's sake and as support for other paths. (I know, I know, but bear with it.) When physics actually explains everything around us and beyond our planet. I also liked lasers. That's a good reason eh. Like "Why did you bacame writter?" - "I like to sniff ink."
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« Reply #7832 on: April 13, 2012, 09:48:44 PM »
I liked physics, because it's math you can actually 'see' happen.

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« Reply #7833 on: April 13, 2012, 10:22:27 PM »
I liked physics, because it's math you can actually 'see' happen.

You didn't do very much physics then.

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« Reply #7834 on: April 13, 2012, 10:42:36 PM »
Well, I think I never liked math because it's abstract, but in this case I mean abstract as in it means nothig. It explains nothing. Math is usefull for the math's sake and as support for other paths. (I know, I know, but bear with it.) When physics actually explains everything around us and beyond our planet. I also liked lasers. That's a good reason eh. Like "Why did you bacame writter?" - "I like to sniff ink."

See, the problem I have with physics is that, once you get past simple mechanics, it gets very abstract.  I remember trying to learn how to solve some problem involving gravity and rotating frames of reference in a radian coordinate system... blah, this was in 1995, so that's as far as I remember, but I couldn't connect it in my head to anything in everyday existence, so I never solved it.  (That was the beginning of my turning point, when I realized I needed to abandon my path.)  What in the hell, for instance, is an 'up' quark or a 'down' quark; stuff like that has no relevance in the world at the macro level.
 
I look at math as being akin to learning a language -- it's like learning words and phrases and grammar, but it doesn't have much of a connection with anything until you apply it to physics or to some other real-world application.  The math is essentially the language that allows physics to actually carry a precise meaning; you can't really separate the two, just like you can't write a novel without having a language to precisely communicate the story.  Not a perfect analogy, I know, but it's how I see the connection between the two.  I bet Nikkoru with his near-perfect eloquence could explain it better.
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« Reply #7835 on: April 13, 2012, 11:31:05 PM »
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See, the problem I have with physics is that, once you get past simple mechanics, it gets very abstract.  I remember trying to learn how to solve some problem involving gravity and rotating frames of reference in a radian coordinate system... blah, this was in 1995, so that's as far as I remember, but I couldn't connect it in my head to anything in everyday existence, so I never solved it.  (That was the beginning of my turning point, when I realized I needed to abandon my path.)  What in the hell, for instance, is an 'up' quark or a 'down' quark; stuff like that has no relevance in the world at the macro level.
 
I look at math as being akin to learning a language -- it's like learning words and phrases and grammar, but it doesn't have much of a connection with anything until you apply it to physics or to some other real-world application.  The math is essentially the language that allows physics to actually carry a precise meaning; you can't really separate the two, just like you can't write a novel without having a language to precisely communicate the story.  Not a perfect analogy, I know, but it's how I see the connection between the two.  I bet Nikkoru with his near-perfect eloquence could explain it better.
Well, no need for further explanation, I don't disagree. Math is a tool. Big, boring hammer made by weird, boring people, but at the end, you will not be able to get the nail in without it. Unless you do it with a stone. Read that as "Have unique mind".
Altho I think that the math proffesors love to go too deep. Into stuff you will not need. Ever. One in  ten millions will ever need it. Everyone has to learn it tho. But hat's more of a education system problem, not a math one.

I said it before, but I agree that some of the stuff is a bit tedious. After two years, I reliased I'm bored to death and had to put the studies on hold, hehe. Wonder if I'll ever go back tho.
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« Reply #7836 on: April 13, 2012, 11:48:45 PM »
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See, the problem I have with physics is that, once you get past simple mechanics, it gets very abstract.  I remember trying to learn how to solve some problem involving gravity and rotating frames of reference in a radian coordinate system... blah, this was in 1995, so that's as far as I remember, but I couldn't connect it in my head to anything in everyday existence, so I never solved it.  (That was the beginning of my turning point, when I realized I needed to abandon my path.)  What in the hell, for instance, is an 'up' quark or a 'down' quark; stuff like that has no relevance in the world at the macro level.
 
I look at math as being akin to learning a language -- it's like learning words and phrases and grammar, but it doesn't have much of a connection with anything until you apply it to physics or to some other real-world application.  The math is essentially the language that allows physics to actually carry a precise meaning; you can't really separate the two, just like you can't write a novel without having a language to precisely communicate the story.  Not a perfect analogy, I know, but it's how I see the connection between the two.  I bet Nikkoru with his near-perfect eloquence could explain it better.
Well, no need for further explanation, I don't disagree. Math is a tool. Big, boring hammer made by weird, boring people, but at the end, you will not be able to get the nail in without it. Unless you do it with a stone. Read that as "Have unique mind".
Altho I think that the math proffesors love to go too deep. Into stuff you will not need. Ever. One in  ten millions will ever need it. Everyone has to learn it tho. But hat's more of a education system problem, not a math one.

I said it before, but I agree that some of the stuff is a bit tedious. After two years, I reliased I'm bored to death and had to put the studies on hold, hehe. Wonder if I'll ever go back tho.

That's an opinion elvi, contrary to your apparent belief, Math can be terribly useful. Just like how every science student has to learn the basics of Physics so that modeling is less of an issue, math serves it's purpose as well, it teaches logic in the guise of numbers.

I haven't figured out why they make us take chemistry yet.

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« Reply #7837 on: April 13, 2012, 11:57:15 PM »
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Altho I think that the math proffesors love to go too deep

Everyone needs the basics. No arguing there. Goes double if you want to do anything just remotely connected to physics. But they really go too deep. You don't have to be an adept in every school of math there is to construct wind plants. Yeah. Well. Too bad, now you will sped 5 years exploring the valley of math madness and half a year about wind and half a year about power plants.
But I guess that varies a hell lot in every country, school and even proffesor from proffesor.

Well, one more controversy from me tho. You either have the mind or you don't. You don't learn logic by learning math. You do not learn abstract thinking by learning math. It is a practice for the brain, sure, but you either have it, or you don't.
Also, I forgot what the he... What school were you on.
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« Reply #7838 on: April 14, 2012, 12:00:54 AM »
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Altho I think that the math proffesors love to go too deep

Everyone needs the basics. No arguing there. Goes double if you want to do anything just remotely connected to physics. But they really go too deep. You don't have to be an adept in every school of math there is to construct wind plants. Yeah. Well. Too bad, now you will sped 5 years exploring the valley of math madness and half a year about wind and half a year about power plants.
But I guess that varies a hell lot in every country, school and even proffesor from proffesor.

Well, one more controversy from me tho. You either have the mind or you don't. You don't learn logic by learning math. You do not learn abstract thinking by learning math. It is a practice for the brain, sure, but you either have it, or don't.
Also, I forgot what the he... What school were you on.

Yeah, it seems like you had a bad experience...

I'm gunna leave you anyway.

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« Reply #7839 on: April 14, 2012, 12:06:21 AM »
Well for one, I think the education system is currently set to provide work for math teachers, because the number of people going for math is extremely low where the number of teachers is high. So they actually upped the math classes on all technical schools. Everyone is happy. Except for students. But who cares about those in schools. :D

Also, once more, what school are you doing?
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