The General Chit Chat Thread 2

[animemamba]

i never save important files or movies on my systemdisk anyway so a format and reinstall is no problem. the few files i have on systemdisk is maybe a few pictures or downloaded files..

saving states and settings for programs never work 100% since i change taste/program i use from time to time. windows give me a choice of saving files and settings but.. who want to get all the old trash back that you throw away earlier?

A problem can be a old driver or a old program and if you import the old system files again you get the same problem again. dont really solve anything. i usally end up with around 20-30% of the original content after a reinstall. A fresh start and a new base

[Havoc10K]

To be honest. Reinstalling is usually the fastest option. Well, for me it is.

I've most of my settings exported to my flash alongside the setup files for pretty much the only 8 or so programmes I use.

A full reinstall usually takes me less than two hours out of which I only spend ~30 minutes in front of the system.

I dunno, most windows related problems are caused by drivers being outdated, if so, it's around 10 minutes to get the new drivers and installing it, while installing Win7 takes around an hour (Win7 Pro x64).

I find fixing problems much less problematic since after re-installing windows you will still eventually run into the problem again, when fixing the problem lets you off the hook entirely, also going through the windows updates again, I just can't be arsed to go through that shit over again.

Fixing problems = feels good, cuz you won't run into them again.
Re-installing Windows = feels le~gay, cuz I wil lrun into them again eventually

[Saras]

To be honest. Reinstalling is usually the fastest option. Well, for me it is.

I've most of my settings exported to my flash alongside the setup files for pretty much the only 8 or so programmes I use.

A full reinstall usually takes me less than two hours out of which I only spend ~30 minutes in front of the system.

I dunno, most windows related problems are caused by drivers being outdated, if so, it's around 10 minutes to get the new drivers and installing it, while installing Win7 takes around an hour (Win7 Pro x64).

I find fixing problems much less problematic since after re-installing windows you will still eventually run into the problem again, when fixing the problem lets you off the hook entirely, also going through the windows updates again, I just can't be arsed to go through that shit over again.

Fixing problems = feels good, cuz you won't run into them again.
Re-installing Windows = feels le~gay, cuz I wil lrun into them again eventually

I rarely get into issues of drivers, I don't install beta versions for them thought. Most of my issues hail from junk piling up in the system and cleaning the registry and all the other stuff tends to take a lot of time out of me. Since I'm not really used to doing that. There is no real problem per see, it just benefits a little spring cleaning.

And to me at least, it's a lot easier to just wipe the drive and start of from a clean slate.

[animemamba]

To be honest. Reinstalling is usually the fastest option. Well, for me it is.

I've most of my settings exported to my flash alongside the setup files for pretty much the only 8 or so programmes I use.

A full reinstall usually takes me less than two hours out of which I only spend ~30 minutes in front of the system.

I dunno, most windows related problems are caused by drivers being outdated, if so, it's around 10 minutes to get the new drivers and installing it, while installing Win7 takes around an hour (Win7 Pro x64).

I find fixing problems much less problematic since after re-installing windows you will still eventually run into the problem again, when fixing the problem lets you off the hook entirely, also going through the windows updates again, I just can't be arsed to go through that shit over again.

Fixing problems = feels good, cuz you won't run into them again.
Re-installing Windows = feels le~gay, cuz I wil lrun into them again eventually

i did that, years ago. Now im computer problem tired so i dont go the long way of search the internet for newest drivers and the latest versions.. i let the young people do that. Windows have a staff of a few 1000 people who update the drivers and repack the windows update section so.. why should i do their work?

If someone pay me $ / hour to look for drivers im happy to do it but if i do it for free, no thanks. Besides, the diet windows get from a clean start is well worth the 2 hours you put on it.

facts about windows:
1: it will gain size even if you dont install anything
2: it will create bugs and errors even if you keep the computer in a one state mode
3: windows save temp files and some is impossible to remove, unless you format to a clean state.
4: its windows, it was never made to be used for a longer time.

so to say it the best way, if you have the time and energy to spend a few 100 hours looking for new drivers for everything in the computer i wont stop you or say anything bad. I have been working with computers for 18 years now, i know what to do and what not to do. Clean start works best for me, i do it once every year so the time spent on it isnt really that much.

Setting up my system after install take me 20 - 25 min since i know exactly what i remove and keep. Same with system settings. Total install take around 1-1,5 hours.... not so much time wasted.

I know people do registry cleaners and temp file cleaners but since 99% of them create problems by removing important keys etc im not going to experiment with them. I play alot of games online and the updates i get from time to time kind of create the problems (old files downloaded to win temp folder etc) so in that case a clean start is well worth doing. If you use your computer like your grandpa do you can have it running for 6-7 years but you never change anything, no new programs, no new setting, no new nothing (like a one state system).

We are all using our computer for different things, the more trash you may collect from updates and program or game updates the more changes you do. More changes = more temp files and corrupted reg keys or left over files.

Windows update: Im forced to look through all the different updates and run it on manual mode since windows want me to install software like -removal of hazardus software- or how they spell it (cant be uninstalled after install, only thing to do is to redo all work again to come back to clean start) and -silverlight- (server software, why do i even need it?).... and we have our old time favorite -internet explorer 10- worst web browser you can get.   

-For those (not me thou  ) that use copied software the tiny program to remove bad software its doom to get that thing in your computer since you cant uninstall or or use the restore program to get rid of it. It will remove everything micro$soft thinks is "bad" and it wont even ask you if its ok. If m$ was able to they would put in firefox in that list too.

[froody1911]

1: it will gain size even if you dont install anything
2: it will create bugs and errors even if you keep the computer in a one state mode
3: windows save temp files and some is impossible to remove, unless you format to a clean state.
4: its windows, it was never made to be used for a longer time.

1. Defragmentation
2. What does 'one state mode' mean
3. Yes, but you can in fact remove them if you know where they get stored. There are also programs that automatically do it for you.
4. All software gets obsolete over time.

And now before someone calls me a windows fanboy, I'm only pointing out facts for you.

[Burkingam]

Oh nice I want to play this game too!

1. Microsoft sucks
2. Windows sucks
3. NTFS sucks
4. No seriously, Microsoft sucks

[froody1911]

^ It's funny because it's true.

Homeless guy covers Creep

[Havoc10K]

Actually you can empty temp files from windows, don't remember where it was, but then again, 70% of those files are not secured from deletion so manual deletion is possible.

Yeah, Microsoft sucks and their Windows up till Vista was a complete shit, have to say Windows 7 is actually working smoothly for me, though XP pro 64 also worked fairly well.

What are the alternatives though ? Overpriced Apple computers ? with Mac OS ? although it is fairly stable (it's not 100% stable) people that run many tools applications, utilities and work on projects, are running programs that run on Windows OS or on computers with their very own OS that allows smooth work with programs they need to work with.

Windows since gates left microsoft is actually working well. But some people don't actually know it but Gate's stole a lot of OS ideas from Jobb's OS.

I'd say, it's always easier to fix the problems with windows drivers than re-install Windows and the install all the programs that you need to work properly with your PC. you waste a lot of time doing that.

[animemamba]

1: it will gain size even if you dont install anything
2: it will create bugs and errors even if you keep the computer in a one state mode
3: windows save temp files and some is impossible to remove, unless you format to a clean state.
4: its windows, it was never made to be used for a longer time.

1. Defragmentation
Defrag help the read speed but it dont give a damn if you have fail drivers in the computer. If you have a program that make your system crash, defrag will happily defrag those files for you so it crash even quicker.
2. What does 'one state mode' mean
i dont know if i typoed that but it either spell like one-state, or one state. It means its locked in one setup. You never change any system settings or install or remove any programs. Any changes made to the system is temporary and as soon as you reboot everything is gone.
3. Yes, but you can in fact remove them if you know where they get stored. There are also programs that automatically do it for you.
I wrote in the lower part of the post -there is cleaning programs but 99% of them create even more problems by removing keys etc that is important-, i know where all files is that i can remove but there is also files you cant remove and they add alot of useless mb after a while.
4. All software gets obsolete over time.

And now before someone calls me a windows fanboy, I'm only pointing out facts for you.

Actually you can empty temp files from windows, don't remember where it was, but then again, 70% of those files are not secured from deletion so manual deletion is possible.
those 30% add up quick and soon you have a few GB of trash files

Yeah, Microsoft sucks and their Windows up till Vista was a complete shit, have to say Windows 7 is actually working smoothly for me, though XP pro 64 also worked fairly well.

What are the alternatives though ? Overpriced Apple computers ? with Mac OS ? although it is fairly stable (it's not 100% stable) people that run many tools applications, utilities and work on projects, are running programs that run on Windows OS or on computers with their very own OS that allows smooth work with programs they need to work with.

Windows since gates left microsoft is actually working well. But some people don't actually know it but Gate's stole a lot of OS ideas from Jobb's OS.

I'd say, it's always easier to fix the problems with windows drivers than re-install Windows and the install all the programs that you need to work properly with your PC. (It works sometimes and sometimes it never work, like with the movie codec. i installed and reinstalled media players and whatnot but never got it to work 100%, not even with all settings at maximum low. Now i have 100% working movies and quality with the same setup (mediaplayer and codec). Why it takes weeks for me to replace programs i used before is simply that im old and lazy, i dont sit and do everything at once like i used to before.)you waste a lot of time doing that.

I know, i dont like windows neither but we have to take the good with the bad and win7 is good compared to win ME, win 98 and win xp... im not even going to talk about vista.

[Havoc10K]

I read about your problem with codecs and posted as well, and you received a lot of help there but to be honest you made your media player break down on your own volition.

I have absolutely NO problems with codecs. Once you install them properly, they never break down on you, until you use VLC.

[animemamba]

only media player i have as alternative is window$ media player and that one eat a tiny bit too much memory for any file it play. If you have any better to use i can try them. The ones i have crash or never accept the mkv files. The way i solved it was to allow the codec to overwrite the vlc ones.

The better performance of the movies was a bonus, i mainly did it to get rid of all small annoying stuff i had in the system.

have rebooted, opened a load of movies to test and i havent got a single crash. If you install vlc over the codec you get problems but it didnt help even if i reinstalled it 100 times before in the right order.

I try different ways to solve problems and if i install any mediaplayer with a built in codec after i install the codec the mediaplayer will overwrite the codec. Change it around and you can make the codec overwrite the mediaplayers settings and in most of the cases it works. Install new divx codecs before you install vlc for example is fail as everyone know.

If you know a good mediaplayer that dont use 1 000 000 000 TB of memory or completly overload my computer when playing the blueray or higher movies im happy to try them.

[megido-rev.M]

Actually you can empty temp files from windows, don't remember where it was, but then again, 70% of those files are not secured from deletion so manual deletion is possible.

Yeah, Microsoft sucks and their Windows up till Vista was a complete shit, have to say Windows 7 is actually working smoothly for me, though XP pro 64 also worked fairly well.

What are the alternatives though ? Overpriced Apple computers ? with Mac OS ? although it is fairly stable (it's not 100% stable) people that run many tools applications, utilities and work on projects, are running programs that run on Windows OS or on computers with their very own OS that allows smooth work with programs they need to work with.

Windows since gates left microsoft is actually working well. But some people don't actually know it but Gate's stole a lot of OS ideas from Jobb's OS.

I'd say, it's always easier to fix the problems with windows drivers than re-install Windows and the install all the programs that you need to work properly with your PC. you waste a lot of time doing that.

The most consuming tmp files are deletable. Hell, most of the ones that can't be deleted on the spot are just minuscule logs.
And I also agree that Win7 is much smoother than WinXP (which I naturally grew tired of).

There's also UNIX(-based) OSs, but personally those are great as purely text-based OSs. The GUI just does not feel free from the terminals (that is, they act as terminals).

The way Windows has maintained drivers has been pretty predictable, so those things are actually easy to take care of (except the crap from Acronis).

1. Defragmentation
Defrag help the read speed but it dont give a damn if you have fail drivers in the computer. If you have a program that make your system crash, defrag will happily defrag those files for you so it crash even quicker.
2. What does 'one state mode' mean
i dont know if i typoed that but it either spell like one-state, or one state. It means its locked in one setup. You never change any system settings or install or remove any programs. Any changes made to the system is temporary and as soon as you reboot everything is gone.
3. Yes, but you can in fact remove them if you know where they get stored. There are also programs that automatically do it for you.
I wrote in the lower part of the post -there is cleaning programs but 99% of them create even more problems by removing keys etc that is important-, i know where all files is that i can remove but there is also files you cant remove and they add alot of useless mb after a while.
4. All software gets obsolete over time.

And now before someone calls me a windows fanboy, I'm only pointing out facts for you.

Defragmentation will help keep the magnetic HDDs from over reading, but I digress. The point is, fragmentation in fact consumes space, and is a known challenge for file systems.
To #2, the errors were likely there to begin with, but only occurred eventually. MS just really sucks at this.
#3: File cleaners: nobody is talking about reg-cleaners. Nothing much even needs to be said: just use CCleaner.

Actually you can empty temp files from windows, don't remember where it was, but then again, 70% of those files are not secured from deletion so manual deletion is possible.
those 30% add up quick and soon you have a few GB of trash files

I'd say, it's always easier to fix the problems with windows drivers than re-install Windows and the install all the programs that you need to work properly with your PC. (It works sometimes and sometimes it never work, like with the movie codec. i installed and reinstalled media players and whatnot but never got it to work 100%, not even with all settings at maximum low. Now i have 100% working movies and quality with the same setup (mediaplayer and codec). Why it takes weeks for me to replace programs i used before is simply that im old and lazy, i dont sit and do everything at once like i used to before.)

I know, i dont like windows neither but we have to take the good with the bad and win7 is good compared to win ME, win 98 and win xp... im not even going to talk about vista.

I don't know about your case, but I never have to clean out more than 2GB at any time, and normally it's just <40MiB. At one point my sibling's PC had 30GiB worth of junk, but that's entirely due to the fact he was messing around with tons of XX00MiB files.

Anyone with basic computer sense will know it's important to be aware of things that add crap the the system which does not get removed from uninstalls. Tons of external codecs are typically such things, because they need to be part of the system core.

Mind you, I say the only Windows that was fairly decent before 7 is XP: everything else sub-par.

only media player i have as alternative is window$ media player and that one eat a tiny bit too much memory for any file it play. If you have any better to use i can try them. The ones i have crash or never accept the mkv files. The way i solved it was to allow the codec to overwrite the vlc ones.

If you know a good mediaplayer that dont use 1 000 000 000 TB of memory when playing the blueray or higher movies im happy to try them.

You could try the old portable KMP if you just want to test something out. WMP had lost it for me since 2006.
Should I even mention the playback sub-forum?

[Havoc10K]

Media Player Classic - Home Cinema, provided with CCCP Codecs. You really don't need anything more than that.

[animemamba]

Media Player Classic - Home Cinema, provided with CCCP Codecs. You really don't need anything more than that.

MPC have gotten me some wierd bugs thou.. even when im not change anything. Its a good mediaplayer im not sayning anything else.
The problem will be that as soon as i install MPC i have to reinstall the core codec, since the MPC will overwrite the core codec. Same problem i can get with vlc.

Im not going to pull this thread into off-topic too much but i have a few years of experience with codec problems etc. There is always a solution

will reboot and test for a few days and make sure it works as i have it now. From what i see now it works ok.

[megido-rev.M]

I would also recommend MPC-HC+CCCP, as it's a nicely compact and known combination. There are others which have alternate feels, but that's only something I can suggest for the extremely serious.

[rathoriel]

Oh nice I want to play this game too!

1. Microsoft sucks
2. Windows sucks
3. NTFS sucks
4. No seriously, Microsoft sucks

Mac OsX sucks more

[animemamba]

what will make the codecs to stop working or crash is if you install older/other codecs over the one you want to use..

Mediaplayer with built-in codec --> computer with core codec (for example) = will overwrite the core codec and make it crash

install in this way should work and work most of the times:

1. mediaplayer
2: codec(s)

you upgrade the codec/codec settings in the mediaplayer that way.


Can try and use the portable one that dont need install and see, of mpc

[Havoc10K]

Media Player Classic - Home Cinema, provided with CCCP Codecs. You really don't need anything more than that.

MPC have gotten me some wierd bugs thou.. even when im not change anything. Its a good mediaplayer im not sayning anything else.
The problem will be that as soon as i install MPC i have to reinstall the core codec, since the MPC will overwrite the core codec. Same problem i can get with vlc.

Im not going to pull this thread into off-topic too much but i have a few years of experience with codec problems etc. There is always a solution

will reboot and test for a few days and make sure it works as i have it now. From what i see now it works ok.

Remind me if you have a better setup than I have, if you do, you are doing something very wrong. I would reckon you have an original Windows installation though, otherwise I could probably see when the bugs kick in.

CPU: AMD Athlon XP2 5000+ Dual Core 64bit
RAM: 6 Gigs (recently bought a new chip)
GFX: AMD-ATI Radeon HD 4650 pro 128bit 1 gig ram.
All drivers up to date.


Personally I would uninstall CoreAVC if you have better CPU than I have, I can run 1080p without problems I could do so even with 4 gigs of ram.

[animemamba]

Media Player Classic - Home Cinema, provided with CCCP Codecs. You really don't need anything more than that.

MPC have gotten me some wierd bugs thou.. even when im not change anything. Its a good mediaplayer im not sayning anything else.
The problem will be that as soon as i install MPC i have to reinstall the core codec, since the MPC will overwrite the core codec. Same problem i can get with vlc.

Im not going to pull this thread into off-topic too much but i have a few years of experience with codec problems etc. There is always a solution

will reboot and test for a few days and make sure it works as i have it now. From what i see now it works ok.

Remind me if you have a better setup than I have, if you do, you are doing something very wrong. I would reckon you have an original Windows installation though, otherwise I could probably see when the bugs kick in.

CPU: AMD Athlon XP2 5000+ Dual Core 64bit
RAM: 6 Gigs (recently bought a new chip)
GFX: AMD-ATI Radeon HD 4650 pro 128bit 1 gig ram.
All drivers up to date.


Personally I would uninstall CoreAVC if you have better CPU than I have, I can run 1080p without problems I could do so even with 4 gigs of ram.

I have around half of your performance and i cant afford more or i will have to live withouth food for 3-4 weeks. My planned upgrade will cost me 500-600$ and i cant even say when i can afford that.

Oh nice I want to play this game too!

1. Microsoft sucks
2. Windows sucks
3. NTFS sucks
4. No seriously, Microsoft sucks

idk if you use linux or similar but im too lazy to type in every command when i want to do anything in the system. I have been looking at some alternatives and it always stops when i notice that i have to type in every little command i want to do. More stable or secure yes but takes longer to do anything on it.

[megido-rev.M]

I have around half of your performance and i cant afford more or i will have to live withouth food for 3-4 weeks.

If you've got at least the power of a Pentium 4, then ye old KMP should still be fine (not that I use the old one anymore).

idk if you use linux or similar but im too lazy to type in every command when i want to do anything in the system. I have been looking at some alternatives and it always stops when i notice that i have to type in every little command i want to do. More stable or secure yes but takes longer to do anything on it.

Aliases. Seriously, don't underestimate the increase in productivity from aliasing a two-letter command with one letter.