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Offline Tiffanys

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Our Bonus Point System
« on: November 19, 2011, 04:33:00 AM »
Our Bonus Point System seems kinda silly and useless... I have over 2TB uploaded and only 101 bonus points (not even enough for 1GB of credit).

Now, it's not like I need this or anything, but if the bonus point system is there to help newcomers for seeding things and whatnot (cause why would anyone else need a measly 1GB for so many bonus points?), maybe the system needs revamped to actually help these people rather than not really do much at all as it is?

I mean, I guess it may reward solo seeding a file or something, but it seems like it could probably be looked at to be improved to be more useful.

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2011, 06:11:10 AM »
Now, it's not like I need this or anything, but if the bonus point system is there to help newcomers for seeding things and whatnot, maybe the system needs revamped to actually help these people rather than not really do much at all as it is?
No, it is not. It is to keep torrents from becoming dead, and it is perfectly fine for that particular purpose:
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We are tracking 10,221 torrents of which only 1 is unseeded.
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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2011, 07:23:15 AM »
Now, it's not like I need this or anything, but if the bonus point system is there to help newcomers for seeding things and whatnot, maybe the system needs revamped to actually help these people rather than not really do much at all as it is?
No, it is not. It is to keep torrents from becoming dead, and it is perfectly fine for that particular purpose:
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We are tracking 10,221 torrents of which only 1 is unseeded.

Isn't it actually because the seedboxes that keep every BBT file we have on their servers?

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2011, 09:59:10 AM »
If you can seed 2 TB, like you said why would you need bonus points?
They do not serve for fixing ones ratio or whoring, rather to keep torrents with low seed count seeded.

And as you can see
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We have 202,602 registered users (66,729 power users). We are tracking 10,222 torrents of which 0 are unseeded.
it works.

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2011, 10:53:22 AM »
Now, it's not like I need this or anything, but if the bonus point system is ther
Isn't it actually because the seedboxes that keep every BBT file we have on their servers?
IIRC, pfcorner no longer seeds for BBT.
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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2011, 11:48:10 AM »
Isn't it actually because the seedboxes that keep every BBT file we have on their servers?
Seedboxes, especially privately-owned ones, have no incentive to keep every single torrent alive (apart from the owner’s personal reasons). We cannot rely on them alone because ultimately we cannot force them to keep all these torrents seeded. What we can do instead is offer incentives to keep torrents alive (because, hey, even if it’s a first-world problem, a 1-year ETA is better than no ETA), to those for whom every single bonus point matters. It is not meant for people like you who have no trouble seeding.

Before people go shooting off wondering how anybody could possibly have trouble seeding, we have had users come into #bakabt-support with upload bandwidth of 5KB/s or thereabouts. Laugh all you like, but I see no reason to actively discourage people from seeding, whatever their bandwidths or motivations, especially if a little incentive can help keep unpopular torrents alive. For them the bonus points are a useful incentive, and thus far it seems to be working at reducing the number of unseeded torrents.

Before the bonus points system was implemented we had a large number of unseeded torrents; some were ‘fixable’ because the files still existed somewhere, some unfixable because... well, the seeder disappeared and nobody had the files anymore. After Jaru implemented the adoption and bonus points system and dead torrents were put up for adoption/replacement, the number of dead torrents quickly dropped (compare Jaru’s thread update with the date of posting), eventually reaching zero after I fixed the last unseeded torrent (with much help from various people; /shameless-self-promotion), and have stayed that way pretty much since, barring occasional problems like extended downtime or DDoS.

Is it going to last forever? Maybe not. But for now it works, and if people who have no problems seeding don’t find it worth gaming the bonus points system, then it seems to me that it’s working as intended. Actually uploading bits and bytes should be the primary way of earning upload.

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2011, 03:09:38 PM »
Isn't it actually because the seedboxes that keep every BBT file we have on their servers?
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IIRC, pfcorner no longer seeds for BBT.

PFCorner (with PFC in capitals) has all BakaBT-torrents available for seeding.
This means there will be always 1 (one) non-seeding 'seed' in the swarm.
The actual seeding is be done on behalf of BakaBT-users needing their ratio fixed.

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2011, 11:25:40 PM »
It does seem rather pointless, especially when the few times I did download a torrent to get bonus points, it immediately ceased being a bonus torrent  :-\ .
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Offline shabutie

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2011, 11:41:26 PM »
Wait, we have a bonus point system?!


Oh man! I have only 243 gigs uploaded and 318 bonus points!  (i think it kinda works then :P)

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2011, 01:03:47 AM »
Watch out for the Bonus torrents!

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2011, 01:16:01 AM »
Watch out for the Bonus torrents!

Those torrents disappear the moment you poke them, the only people that benefit from them are the uploaders and adopters.
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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2011, 06:04:14 AM »
In some ways, you could say that the people who have very high ratios are supposed to be the ones with the lowest bonus points. You aren't going to get to terabytes of upload if all you've got are a bunch of <5 seeder shows which only get a leech once in a blue moon. To get huge upload credit, you need to be seeding a ton of high profile shows, which obviously net to high seeders and low or no bonus points. So in your case, the fact that you have 2TB upload but only a couple hundred bonus points hardly discredits the system; if anything it means it is doing its job well.  ;)

Offline jokli

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2011, 10:54:16 AM »
Those torrents disappear the moment you poke them, the only people that benefit from them are the uploaders and adopters.
That's only the case if they are barely bonus torrents, i.e. if just 1 more seeder will take the torrent over some limit I don't know. Torrents in a really bad seeding situation will remain bonus torrents even if you become a seeder. Furthermore non-bonus torrents can become bonus torrents if the number of leechers increases.

Therefore your statement is not entirely true but indeed I noticed it's often enough the case such that I once wrote a request to show the bonus torrent badge to a user only if it'll stay there after he/she got the file. Unfortunately that was rejected...

Offline Ultra_Magnus

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2011, 12:25:16 PM »
Maybe once they become bonus torrents they should stay that way for a certain amount of time? 24 or 48 hours say?

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2011, 08:54:39 PM »
Is there any chance to make possible the transfer of bonus points to other users? ;D

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2011, 08:58:18 PM »
Has the bonus system gotten harder to get points from in recent times? In the past ~3TB uploaded I have gotten 110k bonus points (then I stopped caring). During the time I cared it was easy to get bonus points, I averaged 9.3 an hour or so with the max being 10.

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2011, 06:04:59 AM »
Is there any chance to make possible the transfer of bonus points to other users? ;D
they would become bonus pointless by then. people should earn them, not have them donated to them.
note: you get bonus points by seeding bonus torrents[. it doesn't matter if they're uploading to others or not.

all you need to do is grab ten bonus torrents and seed them indefinitely.
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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2011, 06:30:10 AM »
all you need to do is grab ten bonus torrents and seed them indefinitely.
Actually, more like 40 or 50.

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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2011, 06:37:50 AM »
^ max bonus points per hour is ten. while it would be nice for someone to seed just for the sake of seeding don't really think they should grab more than the minimum for earning bonus torrents and instead leave some for those who need bonus points.
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Re: Our Bonus Point System
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2011, 10:14:29 AM »
^ max bonus points per hour is ten. while it would be nice for someone to seed just for the sake of seeding don't really think they should grab more than the minimum for earning bonus torrents and instead leave some for those who need bonus points.
So we should stop seeding bonus torrents once "too many" of them would get us points? That makes no sense. And there still enough soundtracks with few seeds (and low size) that are easily available for people really depending on them. Besides those, several child torrents are flagged as bonus torrents. Those won't be returned by the search link posted above. (possibly a search bug) There are still enough bonus torrents.

Though chances are that, if you have a slow connection, you are also on dial-up and pay by the minute/hour. Leaving bonus torrents seeded then isn't a reliable source of upload credit either.