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iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« on: November 23, 2011, 02:31:45 AM »
I just came across this and I was thinking "bullshit, there is no way".

Firstly, that's excessive. Secondly, the GPU would have to be much more powerful. Thirdly, I can't see tablets, which are suppose to be stripped down computers, having a better display than a real computer. Fourthly, from a sales perspective it seems wise to step up to maintain stable sales (this would boost the resolution by 300%).

Larger yes, that much larger, no way in hell.
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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2011, 04:26:39 AM »
That resolution for a tablet is pointless. While it looks kinda OK on my 21" monitor, even with the higher resolution you will not be able to fit more icons or text in the ipad screen because then you would need a magnifying glass to read it.

Of course, being pointless from a technological viewpoint, it can still be useful for advertising, even though there will be no difference in actual use at all.
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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2011, 06:04:25 AM »
That's just silly. I would think that LCD monitors using that resolution would be around 25-30 inches (just a blind estimate). No one's going to get any use out of a monitor that's like what... 8-9 inches (again, blind estimate), and running on that resolution. You would have to zoom in to see anything, which completely defeats the point.

Not that I ever saw any use for an iPad anyway. One of the friends I study with here has one of them. It's an interesting contraption, but not something I would spend any money on. I would rather have a small netbook.

Where did you find this information at anyway?

Cute, huh?

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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2011, 08:59:38 AM »
Either that's a really weird link, or voting made the link go wonky...

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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2011, 10:16:44 AM »
The link seems to be wrong.

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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2011, 10:38:36 AM »
Maybe in 2020, when consumer hdtv goes up to 4k res first, which will take quite some time to go mainstream.
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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2011, 12:46:04 PM »
or wen apple introdces te 30 inch non portable tablet

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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2011, 01:05:40 PM »
Get ready to tighten your belts through Christmas and New Year because this looks like it's gonna cost quite the money. 
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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2011, 03:25:55 PM »
I'd prefer to think/know that it doesn't exist.

What's an iPad 3?

Rather, what's an iPad in general?

Ain't never seen one of them.

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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2011, 03:27:57 PM »
Oh wow, don't know how that happened. I'll fix the link.

[edit] The original link has been fixed and here is another one:

http://news.in.msn.com/technology/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5615194
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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2011, 05:43:21 PM »
K, my question. Battery life? How will they use that many pixels without burning out the battery in a single hour? CPU/GPU power for that...

I guess it works for a couple of hours if all you are doing is surfing online and so on.
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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2011, 01:54:32 AM »
They also said that it would require 2 backlights (instead of 1) and be thinner.

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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2011, 03:53:53 AM »
Can someone please explain why it is beneficial to have such a resolution on a screen under 8 inches? Either I'm missing something here, or that is the most pointless thing ever in the history of computing.

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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2011, 05:02:04 AM »
Can someone please explain why it is beneficial to have such a resolution on a screen under 8 inches? Either I'm missing something here, or that is the most pointless thing ever in the history of computing.
It's Apple, they'd make you buy a pair of shoes just to go with any of their products if they wanted to.

On a more serious note, it's a selling point. Higher resolution, beats the competition, no one cares about the actual use of it but the numbers are definitely bigger than the competition. The average consumer will always be hooked by bigger numbers.
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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2011, 05:48:56 AM »
Can someone please explain why it is beneficial to have such a resolution on a screen under 8 inches? Either I'm missing something here, or that is the most pointless thing ever in the history of computing.

100DPI on a tablet is crap
Because ~100DPI on something that's going to be 30–50cm from your face looks like crap. Anti-aliasing techniques can help alleviate it, but not enough to make higher-DPI screens obsolete. If you've gotten used to crappy-looking text and aliased edges that's great, but some of us remember how good things can look on paper (printed at 600DPI or higher), and would love to see that on screens as well.

Aiming for >300DPI
It's not that noticeable on a 24" LCD because you don't hold a 24" LCD screen at the same distance as an 8" tablet. 2048×1536 on an 8" tablet works out to 320DPI, which is where we start getting into print-quality DPIs (most low/medium-quality prints are typically at ~300DPI). Can you tell the difference between 100DPI and 300DPI? Sure you can, just as well as you can tell the difference between a font glyph displayed on-screen and printed on paper. And until we reach that point I assert that we still need higher resolutions on tablet screens. I'd love to see at least 600DPI on e-readers and tablets.

Mythbusting
What, 2048×1536 can't be fitted into 8"? Sure it can, and someone's figured it out as we speak (see links above), and will figure out ways to fit more pixels in the same space in the next half a decade or so. 2048×1536 displayed on an 8" screen would look too *small*? It's about time you learned that DPI is a software thing and can be adjusted (ever learned about the large-fonts setting in your OS?). Yes, icons will have to be recreated with larger resolutions, but if there's a company that can do it, it's Apple; they have enough control over their exclusive software to pull it off. And we will watch as the rest of the world follows suit.

GPUs will need to be much more powerful? No doubt. But embedded GPUs are already capable of painting such resolutions (rendering 3D polygons is another matter though), and our current display interfaces can support this at the upper limit; HDMI 1.3 bandwidth limits can accommodate 2560×1600 @60Hz, while 1.4 can accommodate 4096×2160 @24Hz (google/wiki specs yourself).

Will it use much more battery? Possibly, but it is also possible to achieve this with minimally higher power consumption. Most of the power in an IPS display is used by the backlight. Having to control and power more display cell electrodes would certainly use more power, but depending on the panel manufacturer this increase may or may not be tiny compared to the power consumed by the backlight. This is an engineering problem and is solvable. Power consumption of LCD panels does not scale linearly with number of pixels, so wipe that assumption off your mind.

A tablet is not a “stripped-down PC”. It is a very different device, with different input methods, serving different purposes. Should a tablet screen have higher DPI than a desktop screen? Sure, because it'll be closer to your face (I’d argue that the closer a screen is to your face, the better/higher-quality it ought to be); The resolution of human vision (human acuity) is measured as an angle, so it makes perfect sense than the resolution of a screen, measured in DPI, should be inversely proportional to distance from the eye.

tl;dr
I welcome our higher-resolution-screen overlords.
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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2011, 05:53:08 AM »
tl;dr
I welcome our higher-resolution-screen overlords.

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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2011, 06:29:08 AM »
Interesting. Thanks for yet another eyebrow-raising post, Kureshii.

On the 300DPI, I'm not so sure. I have an N8-00, with a 640x360 3.5" widescreen. Working with only the smaller side, this gives us 360 pixels in ~1.7 inches, which is ~210 DPI. The display already looks incredibly smooth, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to see a difference if the DPI was increased. Now, a tablet is typically not held as close to the face as a phone is, right?

I guess that's just me. I'll just sit back and watch. It's interesting to see Apple push forward like this, but this time I do have my doubts.

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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2011, 07:15:59 AM »
On the 300DPI, I'm not so sure. I have an N8-00, with a 640x360 3.5" widescreen. Working with only the smaller side, this gives us 360 pixels in ~1.7 inches, which is ~210 DPI. The display already looks incredibly smooth, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to see a difference if the DPI was increased.
You're comparing a higher-DPI screen to your impressions of older-DPI screens. Obviously it'll look better. You don't get disruptive developments in technology by merely making the new better than the old though. As long as it isn't hitting/exceeding print resolutions, all it'll be is a higher-resolution screen. Get it to 300+DPI, or even 600DPI though, and suddenly it becomes a real contender for paper replacement. You'll be able to display incredibly fine drawings (not just illustrations; CAD renders, architectural sketches, text prints, etc) without having to print them out.

Of course, there're other issues to work out, such as the backlight (which makes long periods of screen reading uncomfortable), but getting DPI that high would put it one step closer. Will it ever completely replace paper? Probably not, but it could eliminate many uses of paper, and I see that as a good thing. An example: in design work destined for print, one would often have to make many print drafts before the final product. Screen previews don't work because of insufficient DPI; look at how fonts look on screen, then compare it to the actual fine printout. You never know how the actual text layout, word spacing etc is going to look until you have a physical printout; this results in much paper wastage on draft printing (these drafts are pretty much discarded after use).

With a 600DPI screen we will be able to preview printouts directly and have them match the actual printout much more closely. Print wastage will be greatly eliminated. Well, this is the workflow of a design studio; how is it relevant to the average Joe's usage? Let's hit a little closer to home: academic journals (I'm sure there're enough academics here). Ideal reading conditions stipulate a font size of at least 16pt, with 12pt as an acceptable compromise (note that the typographical point is a physical measurement corresponding to approximately 0.0139 inch or 0.3528 mm. 12pt on your desktop/laptop is seldom actually 12pt physically.) Those in science/engineering should be well aware that the typical journal page cannot accommodate a couple of graphs together with the corresponding textual information on a single page at such type sizes; the result is that journals often have much smaller type sizes, around 10pt or so. Likewise with newspapers. These can still be comfortably read, just not for very long periods of time (measured in hours). The same practices are found in journals in other fields as well, such as the humanities and social sciences.

I have tried reading journal PDFs on a 1024×768 12" screen before (tablet PC, circa 2006), and it was a real stretch. Font glyphs were distorted so much I had to strain my eyes to recognise words. It is readable, but not in a visually enjoyable manner. Doubling the resolution would help, but still wouldn't bring it anywhere near the print quality I get from a printout. And that's where I'd like to see tablet screens at. Maybe they can't replace books entirely, or high-quality postcard prints etc, but I'd love to be able to push articles, reports and journals to a tablet for reading. That is going to require a >300DPI screen. And as much as some of us dislike Apple, they are going to be the first to bring it to market, because they give a shit about it while other manufacturers don't. Someone has to whip their ass or pull them by the nose, and Apple's going to do just that.

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Re: iPad 3 to have a 2048x1536 resolution screen?!
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2011, 08:16:07 AM »
Can someone please explain why it is beneficial to have such a resolution on a screen under 8 inches? Either I'm missing something here, or that is the most pointless thing ever in the history of computing.

It's not pointless... but it's not necessarily useful for most users at this point. Keep in mind, 10 years ago, people would be like, "OMG WTF BBQ 500GB HDDS?? Are those $1000 each?" Hell, my first external HDD was an iOmega one, built with like a super aluminium casing with like 300GB storage for $299, that was like 5-6 years ago. These days, a 500GB HDD is too damn small.

But seriously, this is Apple. The rest of us realists will be like, "That's so damn useless and pointless. There's no use for it." Apple morons will run out and go, "My pixels are better than yours and I have a higher GB." They know shit all about the technology, pay out of the nose for it, and Apple profits while other companies scoff at the stupidity of the idea. They'll play catchup soon just to match Apple.

My guess? You can turn down the resolution for AWESOME BATTERY SAVING IMPLICATIONS! THANKS APPLE!!! (For which you bought the higher resolution for what fucking reasons?)

My iPhone is always on max brightness. All my friends are like, "Why you do dat? Battery life is lower and in the long run, the phone will last longer." Well sorry world for actually using my technology at max specs without reservation. Are you guys the same idiots who would buy a Prius and refuse to ever allow the gasoline engine to kick in?
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