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Offline kitamesume

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what comes to mind when you hear Low-Profile RAM
« on: December 04, 2011, 04:16:53 PM »
usually its this right?
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but corsair and others calls these low-profiles...
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so what which exactly is low-profile?

and what do you guys call these?
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Re: what comes to mind when you hear Low-Profile RAM
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2011, 05:52:10 PM »
RAM that fits within certain physical dimensions. I think it's all to do with fitting into laptops, cos obviously if you slap big heatsinks on it sticking that in a notebook might be a bit tricky.

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Re: what comes to mind when you hear Low-Profile RAM
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2011, 07:06:05 PM »
Laptop RAM is different. Low profile RAM may be useful for servers (though normal size RAM fits in my 1U server, but the one with a huge heatsink wouldn't, then again, the server has good airflow, so the heatsink is not needed).

Laptop RAM is called SO-DIMM (or SO-DDR1/2/3) and is about 67 x 32 mm.
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Re: what comes to mind when you hear Low-Profile RAM
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2011, 07:14:49 PM »
*shrugs*

I've always used desktops, so I have limited experience with laptops and the like.

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Re: what comes to mind when you hear Low-Profile RAM
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2011, 07:50:32 PM »
so why is corsair calling regular height RAMs low-profile?

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Re: what comes to mind when you hear Low-Profile RAM
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2011, 08:49:11 PM »
usually its this right?
No. Those are VLPs.
but corsair and others calls these low-profiles...
The current standard size (~1.2 inches) was called "Low Profile" back when DDR was getting standardized.
so what which exactly is low-profile?
VLP= ~19mm
LP=~1.2 inches <- current standard size
and what do you guys call these?
heatsinked RAM.

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Re: what comes to mind when you hear Low-Profile RAM
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2011, 08:58:33 PM »
@Lupin

thanks for clarifying them XD

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Re: what comes to mind when you hear Low-Profile RAM
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2011, 04:54:03 AM »
It's nice that RAM sticks are getting cheaper.
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Re: what comes to mind when you hear Low-Profile RAM
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2011, 07:06:30 AM »
so why is corsair calling regular height RAMs low-profile?

The add-on luxury items stick out a lot that's why.

A few years ago, RAM sticks were fairly plain and cheap.  They were basically some memory chips on a small circuit board.  This simple assemblage was called a "RAM stick" and was competitively priced since they basically looked the same no matter which company sold them.  You could buy 3rd party heat sinks to add to the chips to make them look "better" if you have a window on the side of your PC.   The chip companies were tired of competing with each other on price and started to jump on the bandwagon of adding heat sinks and LED lights onto the RAM sticks in order to charge luxury prices for the same RAM.

What's annoying is that the consumers liked this bandwagon, were fooled, and then jumped on board.  This in essence made all the same RAM higher priced and the non-fancy-packaged RAM became the "rejects".   If only this trend could be reversed, but alas, the RAM sticks are getting fancier names all the time and consumers like that.

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Re: what comes to mind when you hear Low-Profile RAM
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2011, 07:21:32 AM »
^lol, most of my sticks are kingstons, because they're the cheapest locally distributed here with at least a legit durability(haven't broke one for some years now, other brands like Supertalent or PQI breaks after a year or so... its annoying).

i needed some very low-profile rams but kingston's line is a little unreliable, the same model(literally same model) sometimes has the regular low-profile or the very low-profile, so you'll have to see the item in person to confirm if its a very low-profile or not.

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Re: what comes to mind when you hear Low-Profile RAM
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2011, 01:00:11 AM »
TL, DR: Actually, for overclockers or with 8Gb+ sized modules the heatsinks are useful.

Heatsinks actually do have a point, a 16Gb registered non-LV DDR3 module consumes around 16W of power.

In fact, in a normal server the RAM is a big part of the total power usage (if you have, say, 6x16G or worse 12x8G it actually uses more than the CPU:s unless the CPU:s are fully loaded)

This means that if you do not have good circulation around it you can actually overheat the memory. And if nothing else, running it at 60C+ means that the lifetime is probably lowered.

Server memory almost never have added heatsinks because it is designed to be placed in-line with the airflow in the server, and there is usually a lot of air going through.

Overclocking and/or running over-voltage increases the power usage drastically, doubling the frequency causes between 2x and 4x the power usage, and increasing voltage increases power draw in the same way (2x the voltage, at least 4x the power usage).

In theory the power increases as f x V^2, but it is not that simple in reality. frequency x voltage squared can be seen as a best case scenario.

In order to increase the clock you often have to increase the voltage, so the two effects multiply.

As an example, running a 8Gb module at +20% voltage at +20% speed (1333 -> 1600Mhz) will more or less double the amount of power it uses (9 -> 18W or so).

From samsungs own pages a 8GB 1333Mhz module uses 9.2W at the normal 1.5V, but the somewhat more expensive DDR3L module will only use 4W at 1.35V.