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Offline Clannad_92

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How to build pc?
« on: December 06, 2011, 12:51:31 PM »
hey all...
im planning on building my own pc (budget dunno) for gaming (at least able to play nfs hp2010)...
a decent pc; consist of core 2 duo/quad, nvidia graphic card, and others in planning...and will using this casing...

so the question is, how to know if a component is compatible with other?
so far, i only know how to check the compatibility of a processor and a motherboard (im serious)...

if able, give some suggestion on the component recommended such as processor, graphic card, power supply and others as well...

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2011, 01:01:03 PM »
what kind of "building a pc?"

do you need suggestions on which part? or do you need instructions on how to plug the parts together? or maybe both?

edit: ok rereading OP gives me the idea of you need both. well to start off, just follow the motherboard's manual, and get an extension cord with a built in fuse and a switch just in case you felt like blowing up the breaker.

first of all, you're saying its gaming then invest lots on GPU but tell us what resolution and/or settings you'll be playing on. still, over spending isn't really a good thing, its all for e-pen when you reach a certain margin.

for the parts, for now, stay away from HDDs, they're 2-3times more expensive than 2months ago, if you're lucky enough you could still find some reasonably priced HDDs.

for the mobo and processor, decide which rig you want, AMD or Intel. WAIT, thats an intel old LGA775.
you'll have to thoroughly research if your choice wasn't its really that bad.
you're after a brandnew rig right? you outa start with either a athlon OR a SNB G620 <--- this rivals that of an E7800.
an i5-2300 will eat a Q9650 alive, yes im serious.

for the GPU, one goooood advantage of wanting an Nvidia over Radeon is that Nvidia has CUDA and Physx, i dont even know what Radeon has advantage of over Nvidia... Nvidia seems to have better drivers too.

the rest is up to your taste, references and reviews, notably brands where their products has less return rates are a priority.


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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2011, 01:16:58 PM »
what kind of "building a pc?"

do you need suggestions on which part?
yes please...

what kind of "building a pc?"

do you need instructions on how to plug the parts together?
no...already know...

well, ive decided to go with;
intel: core 2 duo/quad(my view: cheaper than core i family)
gc: nvidia(1gb or 2gb)
power supply: ?(need suggestion)
mobo: maybe a good one(also need suggestion)

following the above, i still dunno how much is my budget will be...and the reason i said at least able to play nfs HP2010 is because my little brother...

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 01:27:45 PM »
GPU, beware, 2GB is a gimmic by those shitty marketeers. you'll only need one on insane resolutions which i doubt you can afford.
for the parts, for now, stay away from HDDs, they're 2-3times more expensive than 2months ago, if you're lucky enough you could still find some reasonably priced HDDs.

for the mobo and processor, decide which rig you want, AMD or Intel. WAIT, thats an intel old LGA775.
you'll have to thoroughly research if your choice wasn't its really that bad.
you're after a brandnew rig right? you outa start with either a athlon OR a SNB G620 <--- this rivals that of an E7800.
an i5-2300 will eat a Q9650 alive, yes im serious.

you'll have to ditch the thought of getting a brandnew quadcore LGA775, unless you're saying you could get one for 100$ then sure i think it'll be worth it then.
reason why it isnt worth it anymore, http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/53?vs=289.
omgosh! its an i3 and its eating core2quads! lewls, oh and they start at 125$.

ive made up a simple chart for GPUs as to where the sweet spots for their resolutions on high settings no AA/AF while getting decent FPS.
HD6450/220GT = 1280x720   ||   HD6670/250GT = 1360x768   ||   HD6770/460GT/GT550Ti = 1680x1050   ||   HD6870/GT560Ti = 1920x1080

Edit: i'm scratching my head right now, cant seem to find any type of brandnew Core2Quads anywhere...
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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2011, 01:44:02 PM »
you'll have to ditch the thought of getting a brandnew quadcore LGA775, unless you're saying you could get one for 100$ then sure i think it'll be worth it then.
reason why it isnt worth it anymore, http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/53?vs=289.
omgosh! its an i3 and its eating core2quads! lewls, oh and they start at 125$.
mazui!! im starting to experience change of heart...
thought maybe that price only low in your country, not mine...

well, keep it coming: one with core 2 duo/quad desktop build suggestion, another is core i family build suggestion...

ive made up a simple chart for GPUs as to where the sweet spots for their resolutions on high settings no AA/AF while getting decent FPS.
HD6450/220GT = 1280x720   ||   HD6670/250GT = 1360x768   ||   HD6770/460GT/GT550Ti = 1680x1050   ||   HD6870/GT560Ti = 1920x1080
maybe im with the first and second choice...

so, how about power supply and mobo?

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2011, 01:59:06 PM »
for the powersupply, since you'll be OK with the 2nd tier of GPUs i've listed then about True rated 400Watts should be enough, mind you when choosing PSUs you'll have to look for the double of your system's power consumption since PSU's effective efficiency is around 50%-60% capacity, and tends to diminish slightly at higher or lower loads.

the i3's are available in amazon and newegg for 125$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i3-2100-Processor-3-1GHz-LGA1155/dp/B004JEVGMO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1323182937&sr=8-1

for mobos since you wont be needing any monstrous specs you could cope with H61 chipset based mobos for the savings, the H67 would do as well with a slightly higher price.

for specific boards... i got no idea, im using a Gigabyte H61M-D2-B3 if that helps.

do you have any websites in mind that you could buy from? like bestbuy, amazon, newegg, etc... that will help a ton.

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 02:08:55 PM »
for the powersupply, since you'll be OK with the 2nd tier of GPUs i've listed then about True rated 400Watts should be enough, mind you when choosing PSUs you'll have to look for the double of your system's power consumption since PSU's effective efficiency is around 50%-60% capacity, and tends to diminish slightly at higher or lower loads.
so, why other sites ive ask recommend at least 450-750 watt?

for mobos since you wont be needing any monstrous specs you could cope with H61 chipset based mobos for the savings, the H67 would do as well with a slightly higher price.

for specific boards... i got no idea, im using a Gigabyte H61M-D2-B3 if that helps.
ohhh, gonna 'follow' you... ;D
and about the sites, dont have any...buy direct from shop i guess...

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 02:22:32 PM »
i3-2100 is rated 65watts, HD6670 is rated 65watts while the GT250 is rated 150watts... yea the GT250 is an old model. the GT450 tho is rated 110watts. well these are according to max TDP, their average power consumption is most likely at half.

motherboards tends to draw 20Watts, harddisks at around 15watts and DVD-Drives at around 20Watts. over all they consume 65+110+20+15+20 = 230Watts, thats 58% of 400Watts. who ever said you need 750Watts to run something that only consumes 230Watts in actual is a complete nut =P

Edit: the only reason why you'd go 700Watts and up is if you're gonna go SLI/Crossfire or you'll overclock some already powerful rigs like i7-2600K+GT580. or you're planning to host multiple drives of no less than 10.
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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 02:30:41 PM »
A high rated PSU might give a better efficiency but not sure.A 400W-450W PSU is enough for your PSU, higher power is only required for powerful PC's. If possible buy a branded one even if is a lil' costly. It's better to have a top quality PSU to be on a safer side.

Antec Power Sources. Select anything around 400W. They all are good and provide upto 80% efficiency at almost all loads, which is the max any PSU is gonna provide presently.

I still recommend going with i3 (or i5 if you can spend a bit more) processor. Quad core is two dual-core's put together so I can't imagine them to perform on such a high level as i-series processor. I have seen the difference myself and the difference is noticeable.

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2011, 02:34:33 PM »
ohoho...thats how to determine the power supply eh?
but the "senpai's" tech support im in stressed it's best to buy bigger watt...
i dont remember why but they say at least 500watt is good...

EDIT:sankyuu for the link...well, about processor, will go for core i family, as you said that core i family eat core 2 family...

okay, here's the list;
core i family
Gigabyte H61M-D2-B3 (will search other brand)
nvidia 1gb
power supply 400-500watt

will check it in Malaysian stores;D

any further suggestion appreciated...and sankyuu kitamesume for the info!! ;)
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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2011, 02:40:58 PM »
malaysian stores... i wonder if they have webshops, or whatever you guys call them, there XD i.e.

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2011, 02:45:23 PM »
malaysian stores... i wonder if they have webshops, or whatever you guys call them, there XD i.e.
dunno...i can imagine that popular/latest component only available at big cities' shop...sigh...lame
about webshop, maybe there is...

and also thanks mistgun_zero for the pic...really helpful ;D

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2011, 02:54:01 PM »
there is no harm in getting larger PSU. Like it said in the guide even if you use a 500W and only require 350W that's all the PSU is gonna supply. The overhead is as a precaution, since electronics behave badly if they don't have enough power so it's kinda like a safety precaution.

So if you get a 500+ PSU if you pay 20 dollars extra I think it's worth it. You can use the same PSU if you again need to upgrade it in the future.

Note: At the end of the guide there are links to Malaysian stores in the 'where to buy' section under 'Asia'.

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2011, 02:55:31 PM »
@Mist, scratch the HDD price, its unstable XD assume that its doubled =(

i found one online shop that seems to have most of what you need except the mobo, they all have asus boards for LGA1155...
http://www.asashi.com.my/webshaper/store/viewCat.asp?catID=162

for rams you'll wanna hunt for this:
Kingston KVR1333D3N9/4G [79RM on asashi]
its a DDR3 1333 CL9 4GB single stick budget ram, haven't broke one of kingston's so i think they're reliable.

edit: @that picture, where the hell do you get 1TB for 60$!? no effing fair >:(
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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2011, 03:03:31 PM »
HDD prices are droping as we post. it's just a guide, mainly for processor and mobo and graphic cards.

HDD and RAM you just go for the cheapest. Corsair are actually cheaper than kingston (if you manage to find them). it doesn't matter which ram you have. it all works perfectly.

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2011, 03:07:28 PM »
^ with exceptions of no-name rams, i mean... you do know why right?


@topic, found another one that seems to sell cheaper, i mean cheaper! but still no gigabyte boards for LGA1155...
http://www.pcdepot.com.my/pricelist.aspx
DDR3 4GB sticks for 63RM
i3-2100 for 359RM
and so on..
« Last Edit: December 06, 2011, 03:32:34 PM by kitamesume »

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2011, 03:10:28 PM »
wow!! thanks for the info and link!!
now, ive know the aspect in building a pc... ;D

when got question, gonna ask again...

EDIT:sankyuu very much!! and bookmarked all the link given...

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2011, 03:11:45 PM »
mobo, even asus and MSI are good. I have seen MSI at budget levels that provide nice performance and include many features and nice expansion slots.

Of course like kita said, just a normal brand RAM. No for NO-NAME brands! Let's just leave it that. Since RAM are dirt cheap nowadays.

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2011, 04:42:43 PM »
looking at PC depot, and seeing an MSI H61MA-E35 which has a built in chip that supports USB3/SATA III, i've come up with a decent arrangements, feel free to change certain items. but seems like only kingston is available on PC depot.

i'll be settling with 1us$ = 3.15RM
Based on whats available on PC Depot:

Core i3-2100                                                   359RM
MSI H61MA-E35                                               272RM
Kingston DDR3 1333 4GB                                     63RM
MSI N550GTX-TI DDR5                                      439RM  OR  Sapphire HD6670 DDR5    310RM
500GB (BARRACUDA) 6 Gb/s                               290RM
Cooler Master - Extreme Power Plus 460W(400W)  145RM  OR  Xigmatek NRP-PC502 500W(450W) 218RM (better efficiency)

Total                                                          1,568RM or 498us$

Coolmaster review
Xigmatek review

Edit: oh yea about the powersupply, you asked once why they recommend so high of a wattage PSU, well the answer is simple, its because from time to time your PC tends to peak, and the probability of people adding other components like extra fans or a bunch of harddisks which tends to add up in wattage.
the simplest rule of thumb is to get the TDPs of the components you're using, how many HDDs and so on, now double the total wattage of your components and that'll be your PSU's rating.
another thing, these TDPs aren't exactly their average power draw, those are only peak power draw or their limit, some can even exceed them but this only happens on benchmarks or stress tests, regular usage just doesn't use the full grunt of your rig.
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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2011, 10:39:16 PM »
I liked the guide that Mistgun_Zero linked.  I'd also like to add two things to the discussion:
 
1) If you haven't yet given it a lot of thought, your budget and what you intend to use the machine for should be the number one concerns.  Some people start out with an amount in mind then come up with a build close to or below that limit; other people (aka me) are less budget-conscious and focus more on the performance they want.  Obviously you have to reconcile your expectations with your budget and change one thing or the other if the machine's performance doesn't meet your needs.
 
2) One thing not mentioned that I recommend is to consider getting a battery backup / uninterrupted power supply (UPS).  I live in the Land of Thunder and Lightning (Florida), so personally I don't want to risk losing an $1800 machine to a stray lightning bolt or power surge.  My ups has kept my last machine from going down at least 6 to 10 times over the last several years.
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