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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2012, 05:30:55 PM »
^lol, this made me laugh.


oh yea, remember these? http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/hands-on-unboxing-the-fake-intel-core-i7-920-2010039/

Makes you wonder if China also prints other people's money.  That would be the fastest way to profit.

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #41 on: January 01, 2012, 06:45:33 PM »
^ nao, selling gold plated lead bars as gold bars would be moar faster XD

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2012, 09:39:17 PM »
this week or next week, i will buy all pc component...yay!!
and i will follow what have been discussed in this thread...thanks minna!!

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2012, 01:46:14 AM »
this week or next week, i will buy all pc component...yay!!
and i will follow what have been discussed in this thread...thanks minna!!

You really should use some only computer forums. I'd never buy a computer that someone has suggested on BakaBT, sorry....
I could link you few good trusted computer forums where you could get alot of opinions and suggestions, but sadly they are finnish forums.  :-\

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2012, 02:05:57 PM »
^ if you seriously looked at the build its the standard recommended build, aside for the brands though.

what difference do you get from another person's suggestions anyway other than brands?



from my expirience this is what people from site to site suggests...
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me: "i need a 125$ processor, the ones that executes programs flawlessly and the best performance/watt."

person1: "go with an i3-2100, or better yet wait for ivy bridge's i3."

person2(on a different forums with better expirience):
"what are you gonna be using it anyway? if you'll use it as a standard pc with minimal components then i suggest going with the Llano processors, they're the most cost effective when it comes to overall performance, specifically they include a built in GPU that greatly reduces the needs for a discreet GPU thus further reduces overall power consumption which increases overall performance/watt."

me(reply to person2): "i have a decent GPU already, any other suggestions?"

person2: "then go with an i3-2100."

Edit: see what i mean? sure you go with the professionals but they end up suggesting the usual recommended build, well they don't call it recommended without gaining it's title as being recommended.

pretty much what other people would suggest to you is "brand", "experience" and "model" but since models are actually limited on certain fields like processor, ram, GPU, etc. because of their standard specifications so the only suggestions you'd actually take in is "brands" and "experience".
though motherboards, PSU, harddisks, etc. have their unique models which differs by each manufacturer then thats where you'd need real suggestions. but theres a big "BUT", on certain areas around the world, models are limited to a few picks, so that'll mean suggestions needed would drastically lower hence you wouldn't really need suggestions but rather "research" for the available options.

tl:dr, pretty much this kind of thread isn't needed to begin with, the use for these kinds of threads is to point the peoples to certain directions, there after the person in question will decide where to go.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2012, 03:01:14 PM by kitamesume »

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2012, 03:32:34 PM »
i already assemble them and forgot to take pic...i think i can only take pic of my fully assemble desktop...
here's my computer part...
core i3-2100
4gb ram
asus p8z 68v-le
asus gt440
coolermaster gx 650w
casing lancool pc-k58

will post the pic...
and please comment on my computer part...

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2012, 03:38:36 PM »
^ how much did you got the GT440?

reason if its well less than half of GTX 550 Ti's price then you kinda got ripped off, why?
http://www.hwcompare.com/9699/geforce-gt-440-1-5gb-vs-geforce-gtx-550-ti/
http://ht4u.net/reviews/2011/zotac_geforce_gt_440_1gb_gddr5_test/index26.php
well to make it short, GTX 550 Ti is about 80%-120% faster(depending on games and program obviously), and it should seriously be half of GTX 550 Ti's price, said so by online sites~
though some manufacturers seems to be selling GTX 550 Ti for around 130$, about 20$ cheaper than the average price.

other than the GPU, nice job *thumbs up*. wish there was a GT540 though ;D
« Last Edit: January 06, 2012, 04:06:19 PM by kitamesume »

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2012, 04:13:42 PM »
^ how much did you got the GT440?

reason if its well less than half of GTX 550 Ti's price then you kinda got ripped off, why?
http://www.hwcompare.com/9699/geforce-gt-440-1-5gb-vs-geforce-gtx-550-ti/
http://ht4u.net/reviews/2011/zotac_geforce_gt_440_1gb_gddr5_test/index26.php
well to make it short, GTX 550 Ti is about 80%-120% faster(depending on games and program obviously), and it should seriously be half of GTX 550 Ti's price, said so by online sites~
though some manufacturers seems to be selling GTX 550 Ti for around 130$, about 20$ cheaper than the average price.

other than the GPU, nice job *thumbs up*. wish there was a GT540 though ;D
uhm, sorry if i have to use foreign currency here...gt440 is rm300+ and gt550 is about 550+...i think...
well, ive asked the shop for an i5, but no stock...only i3...and i3 is about rm250+, i5 2500(k?) is about rm800+

to be frank, after all this, ive realise that im short on budget (but thanks to my parent)...they save the day...
haha... ;D

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2012, 04:48:56 PM »
i hate it when that happens, all set to buy the damn thing and ends up being no stock at all and the next shipping would be next month... well this happened to me when i was all set to buy a HD6670 but ended with a HD6570(but overclocked to HD6670's speed so i'm still happy~)

obviously the "K" series will be expensive, and the required motherboard to utilize the "K" series is even more expensive.
but the lower end i5(2300 to 2400) are a tad cheaper than the i5-2500K.
[$219.99] Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge
[$184.99] Intel Core i5-2300 Sandy Bridge
[$124.99] Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge

you'll need a Z68 or P67 based boards to profit on the "K" series, and these boards starts at about 110$, in contrast to H67 and H61 that starts at around 60$.

the difference of the GPUs, rm300 to rm550 is about 83.33% in difference so i think its just right, though you could've just went for the GT 550 Ti, plain reason of because its just a few $$ away XD, and since you got your self a nice PSU to handle the thing so why not?
« Last Edit: January 06, 2012, 04:50:46 PM by kitamesume »

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2012, 04:54:03 PM »
i hate it when that happens, all set to buy the damn thing and ends up being no stock at all and the next shipping would be next month... well this happened to me when i was all set to buy a HD6670 but ended with a HD6570(but overclocked to HD6670's speed so i'm still happy~)

obviously the "K" series will be expensive, and the required motherboard to utilize the "K" series is even more expensive.
but the lower end i5(2300 to 2400) are a tad cheaper than the i5-2500K.
[$219.99] Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge
[$184.99] Intel Core i5-2300 Sandy Bridge
[$124.99] Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge

you'll need a Z68 or P67 based boards to profit on the "K" series, and these boards starts at about 110$, in contrast to H67 and H61 that starts at around 60$.

the difference of the GPUs, rm300 to rm550 is about 83.33% in difference so i think its just right, though you could've just went for the GT 550 Ti, plain reason of because its just a few $$ away XD, and since you got your self a nice PSU to handle the thing so why not?
got enough money and gonna change it again~
and i will follow your advises...

EDIT : all pics are taken using Nokia 5800xm...my new desktop, and please dont complain about the cable management...will try to arrange it...any suggestion on how to do it properly is welcome









thats all...and special thanks to kitamesume for all the advices in choosing the parts...
« Last Edit: January 07, 2012, 03:39:48 PM by Clannad_92 »

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2012, 05:44:40 AM »
That's a pretty cool-looking graphics card.

Are you using only one RAM stick? I can only see one. If you use multiple, try to match them as well as possible (dual-channel kits are best), and fill in the black slots before you start filling in the blue ones.

As for cable management, the most important thing to keep in mind is to avoid blocking airflow. The three key areas are the fan in the back, the CPU fan, and the vents on the front of the case in front of the hard drive area (looks like there's a fan there).

Your power supply should have a couple of cable ties that would help you with the cable management. While some may disagree, bundling up your cables into a huge ball and tying them together with a tie is perfectly fine, as long as it doesn't block airflow.

My friend told me a trick he uses for the SATA cables. He takes a pencil and rolls them up, so that it looks like a phone cord. It's not something I do, personally, but it's a pretty neat idea.

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2012, 06:08:41 AM »
Are you using only one RAM stick? I can only see one. If you use multiple, try to match them as well as possible (dual-channel kits are best), and fill in the black slots before you start filling in the blue ones.

Why would you do that?  That is no different then using only one dimm.

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2012, 07:48:24 AM »
Are you using only one RAM stick? I can only see one. If you use multiple, try to match them as well as possible (dual-channel kits are best), and fill in the black slots before you start filling in the blue ones.
yes...its 4gb stick...well, ive read some tech book and they also emphasize that (fill the same colour first, then the other one)

As for cable management, the most important thing to keep in mind is to avoid blocking airflow. The three key areas are the fan in the back, the CPU fan, and the vents on the front of the case in front of the hard drive area (looks like there's a fan there)

Your power supply should have a couple of cable ties that would help you with the cable management. While some may disagree, bundling up your cables into a huge ball and tying them together with a tie is perfectly fine, as long as it doesn't block airflow.
hmmm, how should i do that? but, the casing comes with a cable-holder thinggy (look at the black thing near the psu, just dunno how to bend/put the cable into it)...and yes, one back fan, 2 upper fan, and front fan...haha, im happy with my new casing...

My friend told me a trick he uses for the SATA cables. He takes a pencil and rolls them up, so that it looks like a phone cord. It's not something I do, personally, but it's a pretty neat idea.
is that a good thing to do? well, maybe i will follow that too...

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2012, 08:53:34 AM »
^ if i had a camera i'd show you my sata cables~ its all telephone-cord looking, theres also a trick where you use the SATA cables as the cord holder(wind the SATA cable around a bundled cord, creating a sleeve effect).

anyway, multi-channeling(double-channel and triple-channel) rams increases it's overall bandwidth, theres a very little improvement from 1x1stick than 2x1stick on real-life performance, but down to processing performance you'd see quite a bit of performance.
another thing to note is that if your processor is a much more monstrosity then it'll require more bandwidth, though still too small to notice.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/PARALLEL-PROCESSING,1705-12.html

to explain why did they even create multi-channeling(double-channel and triple-channel), about a decade ago rams were uber slow, so creating a trick called dual-channel doubled it's bandwidth which obviously improved the performance of the PC. but now a days rams have insane speeds that increasing the bandwidth does little to no profit at all.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2012, 09:03:14 AM by kitamesume »

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2012, 11:09:27 AM »
^ if i had a camera i'd show you my sata cables~ its all telephone-cord looking, theres also a trick where you use the SATA cables as the cord holder(wind the SATA cable around a bundled cord, creating a sleeve effect).
wanna see it...that way, i will do better cable mngement...

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2012, 11:29:10 AM »
I can picture that. Basically, it's like putting a straight wire through a looped telephone wire. You have two hard drives there. If you have one long SATA cable and one short, you can curl the long one and feed the short one through it so that they become almost the same length, and connect both drives. If both cables are the same length, don't bother.

hmmm, how should i do that? but, the casing comes with a cable-holder thinggy (look at the black thing near the psu, just dunno how to bend/put the cable into it)...and yes, one back fan, 2 upper fan, and front fan...haha, im happy with my new casing...

Interesting, didn't notice before. It's probably more of a cable separator than a management tool, being so close to the PSU.

For clear side panel cases, people normally try to run cables along the side of the case. In the end, though, it's your call. Do whatever makes it look nice enough to you - just don't block any of the key areas I mentioned earlier. Air should flow in through the front, in the hard drive bay area, and out through the back fan. The CPU cable that you have running over the CPU fan can be re-routed to sit around the heatsink, for starters. Or, if the cable is long enough, you could have it run around the top of the motherboard, but it looks like it's at its limit.

Why would you do that?  That is no different then using only one dimm.

I don't follow. Isn't that how dual channel RAM works? That's how I've always done it, and how people always advise to do it. You make it sound like the motherboard only detects one of the two sticks...
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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2012, 11:29:50 PM »
I am just going to drop this post on this thread rather then make a new one for a quick question;


Figured I would toss together a new PC but Im not totally sure what video card to drop in it. Im thinking of some variation of a 560, but figured I would see what other people thought

Current specs-
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I already have the above parts and Im just going to be using old HDDs and one of my spare power supplies. Ive got a variety of them so its not an issue.

I kinda wanna get a diff mobo so I can bump it up to 16gb rarm

Anyway, im thinking of a 560 video card, but do you guys think there might be something a bit nicer without being too much more expensive. money is not really an issue, but not going to of the line if its not at least reasonably better.

Currently, I am looking at getting this- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130604

but open to ideas, if anyone has anything interesting to say. Otherwise I will prolly just go with that or something very similar.

Oh, also, I was just going to just put in some of my old fans, but what do you guys think of water cooled? Worth spending cash on for this rig?

Prolly just going to be used for light programming and video editting, some photoshop, games and videos.
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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #57 on: January 09, 2012, 02:55:00 AM »
since you're getting a 560"ti" try taking a look at the 448core limited edition versions, they pack quite more performance for a little price up, usually sticking to 300$ at average, overclocking the 448core edition will get you a free GTX570 wannabe.
oooooor if you aren't gonna need too much grunt a 560(non-ti) will do almost anything below 1080p, perfect for 1680x1050 gaming, slightly sad for 1920x1080 but still can handle like less AA/AF, etc. but overclocking the 560(non-ti) is a beast, even passing the "ti" version.

GPU : GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi)
REVIEW: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-core-benchmark,3082.html

GPU : GeForce GTX 560 Ti - 448 Cores (Fermi)
REVIEW: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-amp-edition-gtx-560-directcu-ii-top,2944.html
« Last Edit: January 09, 2012, 03:07:53 AM by kitamesume »

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #58 on: January 09, 2012, 04:23:59 AM »
I guess ill explain what I was talking about in my post questioning the logic of filling the black slots first.  First ill start off with a different question.  Why if I have 2 dimms and 4 slots would I use a solution that gives lower performance, when the higher performance solution has no adverse effects?

There is really no reason to not use dual channels.  If I had a 4GB dimm and 2 2GB dimms of the same speed and placed the 4GB dimm in the first black slot like in the picture from clannad, I would get the same performence from putting the 2 2GB dimms into both black slots.  But, if I was to put one of the 2GB dimms in the first black slot and the other dimm in the first blue slot I would get more performance at no sacrifice.  There is no reason to go out of the way to pick up another ram stick and place it in the same channel.  If you want more ram on the other hand go for it, but at least put it in the other ram channel(the blue slot).

Ill end with acknowledging this.  Does it really matter?  Probably not for most people.  You may only get 1-2 seconds faster decompression of your pirated Photoshop, but ill take it.

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Re: How to build pc?
« Reply #59 on: January 09, 2012, 04:30:52 AM »
^ theres a problem though, some motherboards only runs when a slot is populated as a pair, i.e. black-to-black or blue-to-blue but black-to-blue wont work, some even prioritize a certain pair like black-to-black first then blue-to-blue but not blue-to-blue first.

to give you a rough idea of the difference from a single-channel to a dual-channel is like comparing CL9 1600 to a CL9 1800, nothing much difference at all on most scenarios.

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