Hi10P and 8-bit encodes

[raylu]

While I am personally for treating 10-bit and 8-bit encodes equally, I see no reason for this poll or this thread. Most of the people posting here are clueless. Make an informed decision rather than trying to uphold an ideal of democracy.

[mateka]

While I am personally for treating 10-bit and 8-bit encodes equally, I see no reason for this poll or this thread. Most of the people posting here are clueless. Make an informed decision rather than trying to uphold an ideal of democracy.

Exactly. I have no idea what's the difference. All I care about is to get some decent quality video/audio with good subs(i.e. not subs ripped directly from the DVD - ED I'm looking at you). If quality is important(and for archiving purposes it sure as hell is) then just put the decision making in the hands of those who actually know how the hell encoding works.

[parusit]

While I am personally for treating 10-bit and 8-bit encodes equally, I see no reason for this poll or this thread. Most of the people posting here are clueless. Make an informed decision rather than trying to uphold an ideal of democracy.

Nyah, at least this thread keeps people informed about how thing goes 

Btw It's not discussion whether 10 or 8 is better here. It's about how to adapt properly and smoothly.

[elandvari]

I'm a Linux user and I'd still like to get 8bit encodes because 10P support is not stable enough for Linux.

[ViperMWC]

A valid point to raise with the community in my mind. Those who come here and join up are looking for quality. I wouldn't know an 8-bit from a 10-bit from a technical point of view, my opinion is based on what I see. Obviously whatever your system has or has not in the way of playing abilities will govern what you want to download. BakaBt's task is bringing the best to us lesser mortals, if 10-bit is the future, I see no reason to play catch up, be at the leading edge !! As for being clueless, well yes, that might be a valid point, as I had almost no knowledge of this stuff a few months ago, but I've already learned enough to be able to follow the Coalgirls setup guide for MPC-HC + madVR !! Downloaded Bakemonogatari (10-bit, 1080p) [ANE] from here and was mightily impressed with the quality of the video. Adapting to what's new is what it's all about. A yes vote here, keep at the forefront of things, and keep BakaBt a special place to visit.

Merry Christmas to one and all 

[Heibi]

I think a major consideration should be given to the highest translation quality as well, not just 8-bit or 10-bit.  You could have the best picture but the worst translation.

[Hadouken]

I think a major consideration should be given to the highest translation quality as well, not just 8-bit or 10-bit.  You could have the best picture but the worst translation.

Translation quality should be above video quality imo.

[jackoneill]

I'm a Linux user and I'd still like to get 8bit encodes because 10P support is not stable enough for Linux.

Nonsense.

[christantoan]

I think a major consideration should be given to the highest translation quality as well, not just 8-bit or 10-bit.  You could have the best picture but the worst translation.

Translation quality should be above video quality imo.

Agree

[Cuan]

But if the fansubbers(whose tend to love 10-bit) release new animes only 10-bit anyway like you said (such as OreImo).

OreImo has other releases readily available. Under the current rules, we would have to take either Coalgirls or Kira-Fansubs as 8-bit BD encodes for the 720p slot, as well as Mazui or Doki TV rips for SD. However, there was apparently too little interest to offer those. (the TV rips might have previously been rejected to wait for BDs)

I think a major consideration should be given to the highest translation quality as well, not just 8-bit or 10-bit.  You could have the best picture but the worst translation.

Translation quality should be above video quality imo.

Agree

Al of you, that's one of the reasons we have a category D.

[Ophion]

After giving the issue a serious thought,

I feel that even though 8bit isn't top of the line, if the 10bit is done correctly(size smaller, same quality), it should still be able to obtain a Group: A slot. This because 8bit with less faults still beats a slightly worse done 10bit. While i'd think the best encode possible should normally only be classified as Group: A (which is 10bit), it seems more logical to compare the quality of the encode. The quality, to me, is worth a lot more than the technology used in the encode.

(OT: First post on forum!!!)

OPHION OUT!

[izbasa]

i'm all for quality, but only as long as the quality of the fansubs is worthy

[pigoz]

@ Linux and OSX users: stop embarassing yourselves and get a recent version of mplayer2. Or a nightly build of VLC 1.2 (for real! they support ordered chapters, libass and 10bit. Hell froze over or something).

While I am personally for treating 10-bit and 8-bit encodes equally, I see no reason for this poll or this thread. Most of the people posting here are clueless. Make an informed decision rather than trying to uphold an ideal of democracy.

^ * this

[oreno_imouto]

I'm a Linux user and I'd still like to get 8bit encodes because 10P support is not stable enough for Linux.

Even in Debian Squeeze, 10bit support is quite stable. Just install both ffmpeg and mplayer/mplayer2 package and use ffplay or mplayer or any other GUI front end. They both support 10bit. VLC can also do the job, but it's a CPU hog compared to ffplay/mplayer (usually less than 20% CPU of my 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo).

The real problem is, 10 bit does not necessarily guarantee a better quality video! There are many 10bit videos on Baka, but they are no way better (or worse) than their 8bit counterparts. Besides, as reported in this thread, some users do find it problematic to demux 10 bit videos!
So just stick to the KISS rules! Whichever version comes with better quality, stays in Baka.

To test video quality, I suggest capturing exactly the same frame using ffmpeg and then using difference function in imagemagick to compare the snapshots from different versions.

[pjkperker]

The real problem is, 10 bit does not necessarily guarantee a better quality video! There are many 10bit videos on Baka, but they are no way better (or worse) than their 8bit counterparts.

I'm gonna ask you to back that up. Every 10-bit release accepted here have sufficient advantage/quality over the 8-bit version. Otherwise it would be pointless to accept them.

[DmonHiro]

The real problem is, 10 bit does not necessarily guarantee a better quality video! There are many 10bit videos on Baka, but they are no way better (or worse) than their 8bit counterparts. Besides, as reported in this thread, some users do find it problematic to demux 10 bit videos!

What are you talking about? Everything on Baka is pretty much the best version. Also... why would you demux 10bit videos?

[brunoais]

Or a nightly build of VLC 1.2 (for real! they support ordered chapters, libass and 10bit. Hell froze over or something).

Nightly builds are usually unstable so that's no excuse. After that nightly becomes a stable release then I believe it makes sense that you present that to us as you are.

[IX]

Nightly builds are usually unstable so that's no excuse. After that nightly becomes a stable release then I believe it makes sense that you present that to us as you are.

You're conveniently ignoring the rest of his post. mplayer2 is stable and platform independent.

[Duki3003]

I'm not sure if many people are misunderstanding, so let me make something clearer.
This is not about lets replace all 8-bit content with 10-bit, because OMG it's 10-bit. It's about should we treat it equally, as in compare content of all groups both 10-bit and 8-bit, and decide on the best we'll accept based on subs, video quality etc or delay for a few more months and pile up torrents.

The poll basically gives 3 choices - 'Yes', 'No' and 'I don't care' with the addition of option 'Yes' having sub options 'Everything', 'Allow a dedicated 8-bit A slot' and 'Allow a dedicated 8-bit C slot' which would only be filled only if there was a 10-bit torrent offered when we already have an 8-bit uploaded.

[pantywraith]

I understand what you are saying, but I think the correct option should be to move the "Best 8-bit" offer to the D slot if a better 10-bit one comes along. The only reason for this is because anything not X86 can not play back 10-bit correctly at this time.

When transcoding software gets as good (and easy) as handbreak to let useres of ARM based systems convert 10-bit to 8-bit for hardware accelerated playback then you should drop the 8-bit from D.

MeGUI and other tools are good for a very technical person to use, but not most people. Handbreak is even to hard for a lot of people.