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Hi10P and 8-bit encodes
Boscoe:
For me, it's simple. My media player device will not play 10 bit. I don't watch this stuff on my PC (can't really invite friends over to huddle around my computer hutch and besides, my attempt at playing 10 bit on my PC was fail anyway), so if we're evolving toward an all-10-bit scheme, then eventually I'm gone. The thing that strikes me as odd about this debate is that this is the only place I've yet encountered 10 bit encodes. Haven't run across a single one at any of the various and sundry places I go for non-Asian movies and television shows.
But, it's not all about ME, so do whatever you think is best for the site. I'm just presenting my personal situation for the record. :)
Bob2004:
--- Quote from: tyrionlannister on December 24, 2011, 09:19:46 PM ---Keep in mind that if you do want the last option in the poll, it creates the potential for 3 slots (A,B,C) * 2 (single audio, dual audio) * 2 (10-bit, 8-bit) + 1 (D slot) = 12 +1= 13 releases for a single series/OVA/movie. Think upon the amount of work that would mean for the staff, and the amount of split seeders.
If you don't want an alternative for all the slots, that's where the second and the third poll options should be used.
In conclusion, I think the poll is well done and hopefully will help simplify and improve the approval process.
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Sorry, but there is absolutely no way any show would end up with 13 releases. That would only happen if there is a 10-bit dual audio version that is better quality than an 8-bit dual audio, that is better quality than a 10-bit single audio, that is better quality than an 8-bit single audio. For every single slot. Plus a special release in group D.
That is obviously not going to happen; as you can see from looking at current shows, in practice there isn't going to be more than 1 or 2 8-bit alternatives at most. Besides, since all offers need to be compared regardless of the outcome of this discussion, there should be very little extra work added for staff no matter what system is decided upon.
--- Quote from: from on December 24, 2011, 08:59:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Duki3003 on December 24, 2011, 08:29:31 PM ---The poll basically gives 3 choices - 'Yes', 'No' and 'I don't care' with the addition of option 'Yes' having sub options 'Everything', 'Allow a dedicated 8-bit A slot' and 'Allow a dedicated 8-bit C slot' which would only be filled only if there was a 10-bit torrent offered when we already have an 8-bit uploaded.
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I and others have interpreted all options but the first one as "No", to some degree, rather than "yes". As I mentioned earlier, your poll is highly obfuscated and should be remade, as I now know for sure I voted erroneously and I am sure others have as well.
What I want, and from this thread it seems I'm not alone, is for BakaBT to provide (when available) an 8-bit alternative in case the "best quality" (as per the site guidelines) encode is 10-bit. I'm interested in 720p, others are interested in 1080p or 480p, but that simple basic - an 8-bit alternative when available, at least for now - I believe you would find a majority willing to stand behind.
Proposed formula of new poll:
"As BakaBT has as a goal to provide the best quality available, we will start making 10-bit encodes the default, when the encode in question is of a quality that exceeds that of 8-bit alternatives. In regards to 8-bit encodes when a 10-bit encode is the default, should we:
A) Not have any 8-bit encode, since the best is enough?
B) Present an 8-bit encode as an alternative when available, for compatibility reasons?
C) I don't care, do whatever you feel like."
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Whether they should be treated equally and, if not, what alternatives should be provided, are two different questions. Trying to mix them into one isn't going to work. Really, it needs to be two separate questions: "Should 10-bit and 8-bit be treated equally? [YES/NO] If no, what alternative should be provided? [DEDICATED 8-BIT SLOT A/8-BIT SLOT B/8-BIT ALTERNATIVE FOR ALL SLOTS]"
There's no need to change the current poll anyway, since you can infer the answers to the above from the current one. You can see how many people are against by adding the last 3 options together; which alternative they prefer can be decided based on which of those 3 got most votes. Right now, more people are in favour of providing some kind of alternative; since all 3 alternatives are almost exactly equal, the staff may as well just do whichever is easier for them of those three (assuming the results don't change significantly by the end of the poll).
eliador:
--- Quote from: Boscoe on December 25, 2011, 01:25:34 AM ---For me, it's simple. My media player device will not play 10 bit. I don't watch this stuff on my PC (can't really invite friends over to huddle around my computer hutch and besides, my attempt at playing 10 bit on my PC was fail anyway), so if we're evolving toward an all-10-bit scheme, then eventually I'm gone. The thing that strikes me as odd about this debate is that this is the only place I've yet encountered 10 bit encodes. Haven't run across a single one at any of the various and sundry places I go for non-Asian movies and television shows.
But, it's not all about ME, so do whatever you think is best for the site. I'm just presenting my personal situation for the record. :)
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Same as you, i have a netbook with monocore Atom and Ubuntu x86 and Nvidia ION : thanks to VDPAU and mplayer i can watch any 8bit mkv up to 720p (i prefer 480p because i don't care about graphics, only about story :)).
Thanks to a special build i can play 10bits (https://launchpad.net/~ripps818/+archive/coreavc) but VDPAU (still) cannot work so my poor Atom dies immediatly ;D
So i stick to 8bits (and will avoid/drop only-10bits encoded serie) but perfectly understand the needs for future standard. The only thing i don't like, not on BakaBT, is the way this issue is managed/discussed on some major fansubs sites like "8bits = retarded & stupid people, 10bits = the master race". Seems to me some people only like to have the biggest one :laugh:
Aerah:
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I have to correct you, you can watch up to ~50Mbit 8-bit 1080p according to NVIDIA on ION.
"up to 720p" limitation for 8-bit is probably Linux imposed; you probably ain't using the GPU at all...
Anvh:
--- Quote from: datora on December 22, 2011, 04:16:02 AM ---One correction to several other posts: 10-bit does take a substantial extra bit of CPU juice, and there is no GPU support to take the sting out of that. It is disingenuous to pretend that "most" old hardware that plays 8-bit can play 10-bit. Simply not a true statement, so please stop making it. I still advocate the rollover to a 10-bit world, but let us please keep the discussion honest. Quite a lot of folks will suffer, being stuck with lower powered hardware. I know: I am one of them. I hope in a year's time to be able to fix that, with a little luck.
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Try this http://imouto.my/configuring-potplayer-for-gpu-accelerated-video-playback-with-dxva-or-cuda-and-also-high-performance-software-decoding/?utm_source=BlogGlue_network&utm_medium=BlogGlue_Plugin#Hi10-pnotes
The AMD 6850 that i use is able to run 1080p 10bit without much trouble, sometimes (actually only during heavy opening and ending) you see some framedrops but for the rest it works.
ps. would like to see they keep at least a 720p 8bit version for all the media-player, ARM and other mobile or low power devices.
For the rest 10bit is the way to go I think.
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