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Hi10P and 8-bit encodes
kureshii:
--- Quote from: Jazzkatt on December 26, 2011, 02:23:19 PM ---If the only release of the anime series we want is in 10-bit or worse (bloated 10-bit as is the case with Coalgirls) ,then YES you are holding a gun to our heads. Releasing fan subs without regard for those who watch them is stupid.
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I'm just going to leave this here for posterity, as a prime example of the oversized sense of entitlement some people have cultivated.
ymmij12:
I (L) 10-bit(Y)
garretn:
--- Quote from: kureshii on December 26, 2011, 03:45:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jazzkatt on December 26, 2011, 02:23:19 PM ---If the only release of the anime series we want is in 10-bit or worse (bloated 10-bit as is the case with Coalgirls) ,then YES you are holding a gun to our heads. Releasing fan subs without regard for those who watch them is stupid.
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I'm just going to leave this here for posterity, as a prime example of the oversized sense of entitlement some people have cultivated.
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Yeah, the entitlement is pretty ridiculous. At the same time, maybe simply taking a step back and asking yourself why this person was so angry might be a little more reasonable.
Looking at the original post in this thread and the poll options, and then the arguments in the thread itself, it seems like most of the pro 8-bitters -- including myself -- are really more debating whether its actually time for this poll yet, where the opening posts states it is time and doesn't actually ask that question. Maybe a new poll would be the better bet?
If software support, and to an extent hardware support, was better then it is in it's current state -- minding that codec packs and VLC only apply to certain (the same use case, really) use cases -- I'd probably vote for getting rid of the dedicated 8-bit slot too. But as it currently stands, it feels very much like we're -- as a community -- compromising a little too much in order to move forward with this at the present time.
All the same, I'll support any decision made. It's not my site, after all.
For the record, any belligerent person screaming in another person's home should probably expect a gun to their head. ^_^
DeadlyOats:
I'm probably beating a dead horse to death-er... Not everyone has the money to upgrade their equipment. For example, I just built my first computer in 5 or 6 years. The machine I watched anime on was a Pentium 4 machine with Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty), but with the "Classic" Gnome desktop, because it can't handle Ubuntu's new desktop, "Unity". All of the software and codecs are up to date, but as it is, 8 bit playback is full of corruption of the video, because the hardware can barely handle it. 10 bit is impossible to watch on that old machine.
It took me 8 months to get the parts together to build my new machine, with an Intel i5 processor, but I'm single with no kids. Imagine people with families trying to upgrade their hardware - in THIS economy....
I say make the changes at a later date, and then phase the changes in gradually over time.
There seems to be an assumption that everyone has upgraded their hardware, but that assumption should not be made. NOT EVERYONE has new hardware. Look at me. I went from an Intel Pentium 4 machine to an Intel i5 based machine just this month, and look how long ago Pentiums were last thought about..... I'll bet a lot of you guys are thinking that everyone have been using Core Duo's or whatnot.... I know people who stopped using a computer - at home (to surf the web) (they go to the library and use the public PC's to check emails and whatnot) because their old Pentium III's don't support the latest web browsers, and they can't afford a new PC - yeah, in the United States - where I live.
OnDeed:
--- Quote from: garretn on December 26, 2011, 04:30:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: kureshii on December 26, 2011, 03:45:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jazzkatt on December 26, 2011, 02:23:19 PM ---If the only release of the anime series we want is in 10-bit or worse (bloated 10-bit as is the case with Coalgirls) ,then YES you are holding a gun to our heads. Releasing fan subs without regard for those who watch them is stupid.
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I'm just going to leave this here for posterity, as a prime example of the oversized sense of entitlement some people have cultivated.
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Yeah, the entitlement is pretty ridiculous. At the same time, maybe simply taking a step back and asking yourself why this person was so angry might be a little more reasonable. [...]
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Maybe we should look at it this way: the people that argue for 8bit here don't argue for taking anything away. If they win, the other side of the trench will still retain the 10bit they wanted - because for hi10p offers, nothing will change from current practice.
OTOH, if the 10bit side wins, 8bit offers will get purged, meaning a loss for the 8bit side.
To put it bluntly, the people with the "quality 1st"/"I love 10bit" votes actually propose to take something away from the others. Maybe they don't always realise that they act a little selfishly and lack consideration for others, but in any case proponents of this opinion should exercise more humility. This is why the people arguing for keeping 8bit have right to be angry at the hi10p crowd.
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