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Hi10P and 8-bit encodes
tyrionlannister:
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--- Quote from: Jazzkatt on December 26, 2011, 02:23:19 PM ---If the only release of the anime series we want is in 10-bit or worse (bloated 10-bit as is the case with Coalgirls) ,then YES you are holding a gun to our heads. Releasing fan subs without regard for those who watch them is stupid.
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I'm just going to leave this here for posterity, as a prime example of the oversized sense of entitlement some people have cultivated.
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Yeah, the entitlement is pretty ridiculous. At the same time, maybe simply taking a step back and asking yourself why this person was so angry might be a little more reasonable. [...]
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Maybe we should look at it this way: the people that argue for 8bit here don't argue for taking anything away. If they win, the other side of the trench will still retain the 10bit they wanted - because for hi10p offers, nothing will change from current practice.
OTOH, if the 10bit side wins, 8bit offers will get purged, meaning a loss for the 8bit side.
To put it bluntly, the people with the "quality 1st"/"I love 10bit" votes actually propose to take something away from the others. Maybe they don't always realise that they act a little selfishly and lack consideration for others, but in any case proponents of this opinion should exercise more humility. This is why the people arguing for keeping 8bit have right to be angry at the hi10p crowd.
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The thing you have to remember is that the current situation, 8-bit and 10-bit coexisting, was always considered to be a temporary measure. If you read the decision to allow these two types of releases, it was said that a reevaluation will happen when there is widespread software support for 10-bit.
So you can't say that the present situation is the standard, it's just a temporary and transient stage towards equal treatment of releases. This temporary situation is really a favor done to the community, in order to help them update their playback solutions, which for reasonably powerful computers now work without issues.
In conclusion, you wouldn't be taking anything away but a temporary exception.
Jackstick:
I come to BakaBT when I want to weed out the inferior. I think you guys are losing sight of the purpose of BakaBT if you expect them to cater to *everyone*.
Quality doesn't come without change and sacrifice. You may have to seed more than you want to, you may have to use a different video program, and you may have to keep your damn plugins up to date. If your computer sucks, you may have to buy a new one or just stick with SD or 720p video for now.
Also, you need to have reasonable expectations. Netbooks and tablets are not meant for high quality high definition videos, and due to their screen size they probably never will be meant for HD video. Laptops from 2007 are going to have trouble keeping up with today's technology. Remember that you are getting these videos for *free*.
garretn:
--- Quote from: tyrionlannister on December 26, 2011, 08:26:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: OnDeed on December 26, 2011, 05:52:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: garretn on December 26, 2011, 04:30:25 PM ----snip-
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Maybe we should look at it this way: the people that argue for 8bit here don't argue for taking anything away. If they win, the other side of the trench will still retain the 10bit they wanted - because for hi10p offers, nothing will change from current practice.
OTOH, if the 10bit side wins, 8bit offers will get purged, meaning a loss for the 8bit side.
To put it bluntly, the people with the "quality 1st"/"I love 10bit" votes actually propose to take something away from the others. Maybe they don't always realise that they act a little selfishly and lack consideration for others, but in any case proponents of this opinion should exercise more humility. This is why the people arguing for keeping 8bit have right to be angry at the hi10p crowd.
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The thing you have to remember is that the current situation, 8-bit and 10-bit coexisting, was always considered to be a temporary measure. If you read the decision to allow these two types of releases, it was said that a reevaluation will happen when there is widespread software support for 10-bit.
So you can't say that the present situation is the standard, it's just a temporary and transient stage towards equal treatment of releases. This temporary situation is really a favor done to the community, in order to help them update their playback solutions, which for reasonably powerful computers now work without issues.
In conclusion, you wouldn't be taking anything away but a temporary exception.
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I really have to agree with what was said in the quoted reply. The poll probably should have been something more along the lines of whether or not the transient stage is complete, along with options related to it. Such as --
* The transition stage should be considered complete, remove the dedicated 8-bit slots
* The transition stage should be re-evaluated in 6 months
* The transition stage should be re-evaluated in a year
I personally would have voted for 6 months if the above poll actually existed. My personal reasons being that my hardware is fine, but my software (A powerful HTPC, which is just a normal PC in a fancy box, running XBMC) isn't there yet.
Duki3003 edit: Trim your quotes!
OnDeed:
Actually, libav/ffmpeg still haven't fixed the incorrect colorspace conversion (10bit to 8bit dithering) that is used in MPlayer/MPlayer2/VLC/ffdshow. Similarly, the conversion hasn't to this point been fixed in the official x264 tree (you have to use patched builds to encode 10-bit properly). These are known for 4 months.
So I don't think the software landscape can really be called mature, even if these issues aren't critical.
mikezilla2:
slightly off topic but when do you think youl have the right hardware to make 1080p 10 bit encodes ondeed ?
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