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Hi10P and 8-bit encodes
bobthedog:
Here's the problem, explained in a way I just hit upon whilst replying to a very nice PM by a helpful member of this forum.
Imagine a car which could ONLY be driven on the Left side of any road.
Or butter which could ONLY be spread on Bread.
Or a knife which could ONLY be used to cut Meat.
Would such products be considered acceptable for mass consumption?
And yet, that's what the 10-bit advocates are doing: forcing down the throats of anime-consumers something which can ONLY be guaranteed to work on a computer, properly equipped with the latest codecs. If you want to (or need to, in the case of some people for medical reasons) watch your anime lying down in bed or relaxed in a comfy chair which would put your line of sight too far away from your computer, you are just Out Of Luck with these people. They don't give a damn about anyone who doesn't fit THEIR profile of How Anime 'Should' Be Watched. It's their way or the highway, and anyone who complains that they like to watch it a different way, sir, gets nothing but a cold sneer and a nasty word as some sort of tech-feeb who can't get on the train with all of the 'Good People' who watch their anime "properly."
Well I'm sorry, but there are those of us who want to watch OUR anime differently; we want to watch it on our TVs, through our Divx DVD-players or our Modded Xboxes or our WDTVs or our Popcorn Hours or WHATEVER it is we, in our misguided nonconformity, prefer to watch it on. Excuse us for living.
(I'm just a wee bit worked up about this.) ;D
RedSuisei:
madVR renderer (not the decoder) doesn't use CPU, it uses GPU. The decoder doesn't use much more CPU than ffdshow/LAVFilters (Of course there may be some slight difference in CPU usage between using madVR or not). And it does dither the video down to 8bit.
@Aerah: If your rig can't use madVR renderer for 10-bit then it also can't use madVR renderer for 8-bit. Since madVR itself does the processing in 16-bit (IIRC), 10-bit and 8-bit will give roughly the same load to the GPU (I say roughly because there are some stuff that does slightly make the two differ, but not by much I believe). And really, an old nvidia 9400MG with a measly 256MB of onboard video memory can use madVR on 10-bit, why can't you?
@bobthedog: There are also people who wants to watch 60mb anime, but BakaBT doesn't provide those since God knows when. By your logic, BakaBT should also accept those 60mb anime releases, since, you know, there are people who wants to watch their anime differently, right? Also, since years ago BakaBT never cared about hardware players anyway. And you can always connect a PC to your TV.
garretn:
--- Quote from: bobthedog on December 27, 2011, 08:49:47 PM ---Here's the problem, explained in a way I just hit upon whilst replying to a very nice PM by a helpful member of this forum.
Imagine a car which could ONLY be driven on the Left side of any road.
Or butter which could ONLY be spread on Bread.
Or a knife which could ONLY be used to cut Meat.
Would such products be considered acceptable for mass consumption?
And yet, that's what the 10-bit advocates are doing: forcing down the throats of anime-consumers something which can ONLY be guaranteed to work on a computer, properly equipped with the latest codecs. If you want to (or need to, in the case of some people for medical reasons) watch your anime lying down in bed or relaxed in a comfy chair which would put your line of sight too far away from your computer, you are just Out Of Luck with these people. They don't give a damn about anyone who doesn't fit THEIR profile of How Anime 'Should' Be Watched. It's their way or the highway, and anyone who complains that they like to watch it a different way, sir, gets nothing but a cold sneer and a nasty word as some sort of tech-feeb who can't get on the train with all of the 'Good People' who watch their anime "properly."
Well I'm sorry, but there are those of us who want to watch OUR anime differently; we want to watch it on our TVs, through our Divx DVD-players or our Modded Xboxes or our WDTVs or our Popcorn Hours or WHATEVER it is we, in our misguided nonconformity, prefer to watch it on. Excuse us for living.
(I'm just a wee bit worked up about this.) ;D
--- End quote ---
I wish people wouldn't say stuff like this. Nobody is forcing anything down anyone's throat. The people that run this site have every right to do whatever they want with this site, end of story.
That said, some of us are trying to be reasonable about it when making our points. They, the site maintainers, have pointed out that hardware was never a consideration, but also pointed out that software was -- and that they believed software was where it needed to be. To me, this opens up software related arguments as it was clearly a consideration. People like me are simply attempting to have them reconsider the software point.
The BakaBT site really is excellent, and don't believe (staffers included!) that there are suitable alternatives for finding 8-bit content or what have you. That's part of what makes this site great, the site itself is set up and managed extremely well. I have found myself looking at other sites, and find it quite difficult to even know what you're getting half the time, until you have the content and can look directly. Please don't blindly link proving points in response to this, of course anyone can find what they're looking for if they really try, I'm simply pointing out that it can be a pain in the ass.
For the people I'm chewing out, of course I'm upset about this too -- but I have no delusions about who owns, operates, and maintains this place, and it's definitely not me.
bobthedog:
--- Quote from: garretn on December 27, 2011, 09:07:34 PM ---I wish people wouldn't say stuff like this. Nobody is forcing anything down anyone's throat. The people that run this site have every right to do whatever they want with this site, end of story.
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Yes they do - and you'll notice (or will you?) that I said NOTHING AT ALL about the people who run this site. My post had NOTHING TO DO with BakaBT.
--- Quote from: garretn on December 27, 2011, 09:07:34 PM ---The BakaBT site really is excellent, and don't believe (staffers included!)
--- End quote ---
Why, yes it is! And if you actually read my post, you'll see that NOWHERE IN IT did I say ANYTHING about BakaBT or the people who run it, or are members of it.
--- Quote from: garretn on December 27, 2011, 09:07:34 PM ---That's part of what makes this site great, the site itself is set up and managed extremely well.
--- End quote ---
Just what post did you (think you) read?!? Not mine, as written, certainly...
--- Quote from: garretn on December 27, 2011, 09:07:34 PM ---For the people I'm chewing out, of course I'm upset about this too -- but I have no delusions about who owns, operates, and maintains this place, and it's definitely not me.
--- End quote ---
I don't know you; have no idea who you are; and I certainly didn't post anything about you - or about BakaBT or its staff.
YOU appear to be drawing conclusions and making inferences which were never made, or implied.
Paranoia will destroya.
Incidentally, @RedSuisei: your logic is comparing Apples and Kumquats. Over 95% of the anime which BakaBT HAS is 8-bit. So by your "logic," it should all be deleted, forthwith. Furthermore, MY TV has one - exactly one - coaxial input and one composite input: did you wanna come over and hook up my PC to it? Also,
will you be there to change the anime or pause it to read long/swift subs or when the phone rings? (My PC is ten feet away from my TV, will you be there to do the legwork?) This is EXACTLY what I meant about certain people thinking that everyone else on the planet lives as they do. Thank you for helping to prove my point. :)
RedSuisei:
@bobthedog: ...If your post had nothing to do about BakaBT, then don't post here. This thread is only about how BakaBT handles 10-bit and 8-bit anime from now on. You sir, who posts stuff in such an obviously emotional manner, and whose post apparently doesn't even have anything to do about BakaBT, should kindly step out of this thread before you embarass yourself further. If you want to complain about the people who "forces down the throats" (I'm assuming you're talking about the releasers, since you're not talking about BakaBT, and the releasers are the one who actually made the files), then feel free to complain to their site, not here. It's not as if all releasers check this thread and see your complaints anyway (though I doubt that even if they do, they'd just follow what you want like that). If you're only using this thread as a means for venting anger, then again, do so elsewhere.
Oh and, as I've said repeatedly, BakaBT never considered removing all 8-bit releases. They are thinking about treating 10-bit and 8-bit equally, as in, whichever one is better will be taken. In the end, it's still about quality first, no matter whether it's 10-bit or 8-bit, large or small, Xvid or H.264. Please make sure you thoroughly understand this before you post again and embarass yourself further. Also, you can use a PC remote, they're cheap nowadays.
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