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garretn:
@bobthedog I apologize, I won't make any further assumptions that your posts to a thread are related to said thread. My bad.
@RedSuisei Yeah, that's related to what I was getting at about other sites usually sucking eggs. With my HTPC (a PC in a fancy box with a remote, but using software such as XBMC/Plex/Boxee or related), I find the 8-bit slot next to the 10-bit invaluable until 10-bit support is mature enough in such (popular!) software that it's no longer needed. At the moment such support does exist in either work-around or otherwise buggy manners, and can likely be expected to mature within 6 months to a year.
@OnDeed I would call that equal treatment (or in other words, fair treatment), honestly. If a better 8-bit encode exists then a 10-bit one, it'd win out. It's really not about if its fair to the users of the site.
It does make sense that people wouldn't want to split a seeding pool, or making staff do extra work accepting multiple versions of the same anime, so it's very understandable that they wouldn't want to allow this forever, at least if I understand the motivation for all of this correctly.
Still though, all I'm really asking for is extending the temporary concession due to lack of software support, since software support isn't there yet in my (and seemingly others in this thread) personal opinion.
I can see where people are coming from in regards to hardware support, but honestly, quality has never really meshed with legacy hardware (such as old laptops). On the other side of the same coin, I do agree that supporting a currently CPU-dependent format is a little harsh, as hardware acceleration does exist for high quality current formats, that's totally lost with 10-bit -- effectively excluding devices and laptops that are low-power and built with vdpau or similar to compensate. Honestly though, that's probably asking too much for a site about quality.
DmonHiro:
--- Quote from: bobthedog on December 27, 2011, 08:49:47 PM ---Well I'm sorry, but there are those of us who want to watch OUR anime differently; we want to watch it on our TVs, through our Divx DVD-players or our Modded Xboxes or our WDTVs or our Popcorn Hours or WHATEVER it is we, in our misguided nonconformity, prefer to watch it on. Excuse us for living.
(I'm just a wee bit worked up about this.) ;D
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But nobody is saying you shouldn't watch anime like that. This isn't even the topic here. You can watch anime any way you want, but on BakaBT, it's expected to keep only the best quality. If that best quality is 10bit, then it should be kept.
Also, why don't you just connect your PC to your TV?
--- Quote from: RedSuisei on December 27, 2011, 09:00:52 PM ---madVR renderer (not the decoder) doesn't use CPU, it uses GPU. The decoder doesn't use much more CPU than ffdshow/LAVFilters (Of course there may be some slight difference in CPU usage between using madVR or not). And it does dither the video down to 8bit.
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Well, my MPC-HC uses more CPU with madVR then with anything else, so that's what I meant. Also, madVR is the only one that DOESN'T dither to 8bit for me.
RedSuisei:
--- Quote from: DmonHiro on December 27, 2011, 10:22:24 PM --- Also, madVR is the only one that DOESN'T dither to 8bit for me.
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They do, otherwise you won't be able to watch anything without a video card that supports 10-bit output and a 10-bit display. madVR dithers the video to the display's bit-depth after alll of it's processing is done. Unless, of course, you're talking about madVR being capable of accepting 10-bit input without having to be dithered by the video decoder, in which case though, madVR will still dither at the end.
@garretn: I can agree with your problem there. IMO it's always possible to use other solutions, especially since XBMC has been known to be quite behind compared to the typical playback software. IIRC Daiz linked about DSPlayer which should play 10-bit, but I don't know how well it works. IIRC Mediaportal can also use MPC-HC as an external player.
bobthedog:
I love all people in the world (even the bad ones) and especially all the truly wonderful people here at BakaBT!
:angel:
@garretn: No problemo, mi amigo.
@RedSuisei: Yes, you are Wonderful too, in your way...
@OnDeed: 10/10. Exactement. Spot on.
I am just following the principle so beautifully stated by doll_licca: if the purpose of subbing anime is for the maximum number of people to be able to SEE it, then anything which EXCLUDES people defeats that purpose. Furthermore (she pointed out), trying to ensure maximum compatibility across the widest spectrum provides the largest viewing base. Ipso facto.
To quote my good friend Vash: Love and Peace, people. `Tis the season. Love and Peace!
RedSuisei:
--- Quote from: bobthedog on December 27, 2011, 10:56:45 PM ---I am just following the principle so beautifully stated by doll_licca: if the purpose of subbing anime is for the maximum number of people to be able to SEE it, then anything which EXCLUDES people defeats that purpose. Furthermore (she pointed out), trying to ensure maximum compatibility across the widest spectrum provides the largest viewing base. Ipso facto.
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While I agree about doll_licca's idealism, it should be noted that people release stuff with differing ideals. Some people like doll_licca wants their release to be enjoyed by as many people as possible. Some, instead, wants their release to be the best release ever made, which most of time means it inevitably can only be played by people with proper hardware support and enough bandwidth. Of course, it's also possible to make multiple releases, but for people (like me), even working on one episode is already time-consuming (considering I mostly work on stuff which requires complete timing overhaul, compelete typesetting from scratch, editing and TLC, and uses old DVDs which are filled with problems requiring proper fix, and all of that by myself), and uploading them on such a limited bandwidth also requires a lot of patience. As you said, you should've been adult enough to accept the differences in people's opinion and not demand others to do as you want.
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