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Hi10P and 8-bit encodes
Hadouken:
Talk about being elitist.. lmao.
I'm not really complaining about 10-bit, it's just that the sudden hatred for 8-bit is laughable considering that's what everyone was watching with no problem earlier this year.
Aadieu:
Ever since somebody on here explained how there is no actual non-proartist equipment out there to actually DISPLAY 10bit colour, and considering how the "less banding" thing seems to not show up in practice*, I fail to see the point of 10bit today at all.
*: maybe groups don't know how to ENcode 10bit properly, maybe existing DEcoders today are screwing it up, or maybe the banding thing is a myth - in any case, has anyone actually SEEN a quality gain? do post comparisons (of *similarly sized* files, from the same source!)
Daiz:
--- Quote from: Aadieu on December 31, 2011, 06:29:47 PM ---Ever since somebody on here explained how there is no actual non-proartist equipment out there to actually DISPLAY 10bit colour, and considering how the "less banding" thing seems to not show up in practice*, I fail to see the point of 10bit today at all.
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Well, congratulations on being an idiot, then. Let me quote my own post from page 3 of this thread:
--- Quote from: Daiz on December 22, 2011, 07:39:40 AM ---The bit depth of your monitor is irrelevant - the main benefit of 10-bit is the increased compression due to the higher precision, and that is something that takes effect on the encoding side and isn't in any way affected by the bit depth of the display you are viewing it with.
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To add to that, the compression benefit applies no matter what the source bit depth is.
--- Quote from: Aadieu on December 31, 2011, 06:29:47 PM ---do post comparisons (of *similarly sized* files, from the same source!)
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Here's two:
http://blisswater.info/comparison/elephantsdream/ (a comparison at exactly the same bitrate from a lossless source)
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/66418 (Exactly the same source and encoding settings with the only difference being the bit depth - the 10-bit video turned out 15% smaller, too)
brunoais:
I believe we only need an extra slot in the C part.
The reason? 10-bit releases uses more CPU than 8-bit releases so we will offer, at least, 1 8-bit release in the weakest "department". This can be used, as an example, in situations where the viewer uses a computer which is also occupied doing other things and the member wants to view the video while the computer is working on other stuff (as an example).
The perfect for me would be to make available the best 8-bit release in slot C and, if there's no 8-bit for slot C use the best 8-Bit for slot B. This way we can somewhat please the ones that what to watch the videos in their PDA, tablet, etc... , for example (have a 8-bit release, when possible), and we won't have too many torrents for each show.
OnDeed:
There are some wierd differences in the Moe Onna comparison... was that with equal filtering? At least #5 seems to have some hue shift.
P.S. You meantioned the hardware players being "incompatible" with ass. They might not use fonts and ignore tags, but is that really critical? Usually it should be more than okay to watch&read subtitles without that - in some cases of lousy font choice it would be even beneficial. While it might hurt the TSer/styler's feelings, such stuff is not overly important.
@ Brunoais
There is a good reason for 8bit HD too - many people can play high bitrate 1080p via gpu/igp decoders, while they might not be able to play such 10bit (weak cpu) or even any 10bit at all (standalones).
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