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Hi10P and 8-bit encodes
Daiz:
--- Quote from: OnDeed on December 31, 2011, 07:06:32 PM ---At least #5 seems to have some hue shift.
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I used CCCP's ffdshow to decode the 10-bit video back when I did that comparison some 6 months ago, which had the minor color conversion swscale issue with 10-bit material. The filtering is otherwise identical, except 16-bit input was used for the 10-bit encode whereas dithered 8-bit input (from the same debanding filter) was used for the 8-bit one (feeding 16-bit input to 8-bit x264 gave worse results banding-wise).
Also, I would say that having typesetting fuck up could end up badly - depending on whether a player would simply not display multiple lines at the same time or show them unstyled onscreen all at the same time, you'd either get a screen full of text at times or alternatively miss out on important signs, or both.
Aadieu:
--- Quote from: Daiz on December 31, 2011, 06:56:22 PM ---http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/66418 (Exactly the same source and encoding settings with the only difference being the bit depth - the 10-bit video turned out 15% smaller, too)
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PHAIL. What a case of "OMFG ooh wow my banding used to be 67% dark bands 33% light bands.... and it's now 33% light bands and 67% dark bands, in the exact same places and amounts... fap fap fap 10bit ruels!"
Btw, what encoders/releases are being compared here? And 15% smaller - is that 15% smaller than Mazui-tight 240-270mb, or Bloatgirls sizes, where you can easily shave off 40-70% and still get the same quality?
AceD:
You respond with some stupid ass quote you made up, when all he did was answer the question you asked, and then you proceed to ask a question where the answer is blatantly in the quote your replying too...try reading it properly
i don't even....
Daiz:
--- Quote from: Aadieu on December 31, 2011, 07:41:39 PM ---PHAIL. What a case of "OMFG ooh wow my banding used to be 67% dark bands 33% light bands.... and it's now 33% light bands and 67% dark bands, in the exact same places and amounts... fap fap fap 10bit ruels!"
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Are you blind or have a shit display or something? There's a pretty notable difference in banding, especially in the first and fifth shots.
--- Quote from: Aadieu on December 31, 2011, 07:41:39 PM ---Btw, what encoders/releases are being compared here? And 15% smaller - is that 15% smaller than Mazui-tight 240-270mb, or Bloatgirls sizes, where you can easily shave off 40-70% and still get the same quality?
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Both are my own encodes, with the 8-bit encode being ~153 MB in size and 10-bit encode being ~131 MB in size (both video only). For a somewhat less direct comparison, an 8-bit release encode (with different filtering) I did for the same episode was 265 MB (with audio).
Aadieu:
--- Quote from: Daiz on December 31, 2011, 08:17:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Aadieu on December 31, 2011, 07:41:39 PM ---PHAIL. What a case of "OMFG ooh wow my banding used to be 67% dark bands 33% light bands.... and it's now 33% light bands and 67% dark bands, in the exact same places and amounts... fap fap fap 10bit ruels!"
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Are you blind or have a shit display or something? There's a pretty notable difference in banding, especially in the first and fifth shots.
--- Quote from: Aadieu on December 31, 2011, 07:41:39 PM ---Btw, what encoders/releases are being compared here? And 15% smaller - is that 15% smaller than Mazui-tight 240-270mb, or Bloatgirls sizes, where you can easily shave off 40-70% and still get the same quality?
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Both are my own encodes, with the 8-bit encode being ~153 MB in size and 10-bit encode being ~131 MB in size (both video only). For a somewhat less direct comparison, an 8-bit release encode (with different filtering) I did for the same episode was 265 MB (with audio).
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Thanks.
Don't you think 131 vs. 153 MB video streams (btw, that for a full ep or ordered chapters) is rather bitrate-starved to be making comparisons? Though, admittedly, both look pretty crisp.
Already good vision raised to perfection via contacts, 46" FullHD display. Nope, I see the same amount of banding, in the same places. Different-looking banding, yeah, one has more prominent dark strips in the banding, while the other has more prominent light strips in the banding... but the same locations and quantity of banding nonetheless.
--- Quote from: AceD on December 31, 2011, 07:57:08 PM ---You respond with some stupid ass quote you made up, when all he did was answer the question you asked, and then you proceed to ask a question where the answer is blatantly in the quote your replying too...try reading it properly
i don't even....
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Sarcasm... is the autism getting in the way of comprehension?
There is no answer there. Unless 8-bit and 10-bit are encoder groups, don't think so lol. Neither have I ever seen anything tagged [Daiz]. So, unless this person is affiliated with some major fansubbing or RAW group or is somehow else a well-known authority, what results *he* personally got from comparing his own 8-bit and 10-bit encodes - rather similar levels of quality, minute differences in banding type but not quantity, purported 15% size reduction but no info on filesizes [at the time the comment was first written] - don't say much of anything. Plus, it's screens that he himself selected to emphasize the difference, presumably best seen in these very scenes. And it's not really visible even then.
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