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RedSuisei:
...I think I don't have to say anything more to you Aadieu. There's already plenty of proof in Daiz' screenshots. If your eyes can't see the reduction in banding, then that's a problem with your eyes, seeing that the rest of us (including the ones who will eventually make decisions on which torrents get accepted) can see the reduction in banding. I'm starting to think that you just simply hate 10-bit and won't accept it no matter what, so I'll stop the argument here. Feel free to stick with your 8-bit version even if there's a superior 10-bit just because you think there's no quality gain.

Aerah:
So much butthurt due to SupraGuy, prep-h is probably needed here.  :laugh:

I laughed at that comparison, took me 10 seconds to notice that on-cursor image was different and not someone trolling me submitting the same image for A and B.
If you say that A has x bitrate and B has x+1% bitrate it would also be believable.
If you say that A is without client-side postprocessing and B is with client-side post processing it would also be believable.
If you say that A is Haali Render and B is MadVR / EVRCP (set to HQ) it would also be believable.

ConsiderPhlebas:

--- Quote from: Aadieu on December 31, 2011, 08:29:38 PM ---Neither have I ever seen anything tagged [Daiz]. So, unless this person is affiliated with some major fansubbing or RAW group or is somehow else a well-known authority, ...
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I don't think group affiliation and similar has any relevance to what is good encoding or not, nor do I have any strong opinion on 10/8 (although I notice that 10bit plays effortlessly on my old PC with little RAM), but as far as I know Daiz works for example for Underwater and UTW.

Otherwise I think this thread shows (an unusal amount?) of needless heat. Why not cool down and try to reason with rational arguments  :)

bobthedog:

--- Quote from: OnDeed on December 30, 2011, 01:54:57 PM ---Seeing how are people eager to do this jump into the future (come on, I don't think 6 months is exactly a lot).
"Moving to the future" is fine in my book, but I don't think that a torrent tracker/release aggregation/archival place is a good place to drive that. I would leave that to the elitist-enough fansubbers an rippers.
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I don't think bakabt really needs to take too active role in this transition. Not even leaving a single fallback slot (as many people in the comments seem to be perfectly fine with) is outright bad imho.
(Come on, xvid was put to "equal treatment" policy just recently... about 5 years after the introduction of h.264?)

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And again with the excellent points, OnDeed!



--- Quote from: Hadouken on December 31, 2011, 05:00:21 PM ---Talk about being elitist.. lmao.
I'm not really complaining about 10-bit, it's just that the sudden hatred for 8-bit is laughable considering that's what everyone was watching with no problem earlier this year.

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Yup.  That's exactly the attitude I was pointing out in earlier posts:

"I got mine, Jack - and you can all kiss my arse if it's a problem for you.  If you don't watch anime the way I choose to watch it
then you aren't good enough to be watching it."

It's a selfish, snotty, elitist viewpoint which places the preferences of some people above widespread compatibility.

And they don't even see it, because of course their own egos are in the way...     :(

Bob2004:
@Aadieu/Aerah: I can see the differences between 10-bit and 8-bit in that comparison very clearly as well; it's very obvious, especially the TV in #1, the table in #5, and the night sky in #3. And Daiz is a pretty experienced encoder, he can be trusted to do the comparison properly.

@bobthedog: While I don't entirely disagree with you, remember that 8-bit releases will only be replaced with 10-bit versions when there is actually a benefit in doing so; it will not just be due to personal preference (regardless of the situation in the wider fansubbing community). So, while I do agree that many people are a bit overenthusiastic about the wonders of 10-bit, this discussion is about BakaBT; and in practice if staff did start treating 10-bit and 8-bit equally, as proposed, 10-bit will only actually be used where it does genuinely offer a benefit over any 8-bit releases.

Personally, I still don't believe 10-bit is mature enough to be an acceptable replacement for 8-bit, even where it does offer an improvement. As a few people have pointed out, it took 5 years before the dedicated Xvid slot was removed; and while I'm not saying we should wait that long for 10-bit too, 6-7 months is a bit too soon to be relying on it completely.

I think (and the majority of voters agree with me) that it is essential we make sure there is an 8-bit alternative available. Not necessarily for all categories, but there should be at least one 8-bit version of every anime on the site. It won't create any extra work for staff, since all releases need to be compared anyway, and I don't think BakaBT needs to worry too much about the seeding pool being split - the site has a clear surplus of seeders, and the systems already in place will ensure that no torrent will be unseeded.

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