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Hi10P and 8-bit encodes
doll_licca:
--- Quote from: slimcliffy on January 01, 2012, 01:29:54 AM ---(Tip: For less file space stop encoding in flac) :D
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That's until you run into someone who can tell when audio has been compressed.
(This would be mostly folks who probably deal with music for a living. Fortunately, the number of folks who are able to do this aren't that many.)
Aadieu:
--- Quote from: Daiz on December 31, 2011, 11:50:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: Aadieu on December 31, 2011, 11:26:56 PM ---Difference? YES. Better? Not so sure - banding on the TV in #1 is major in both cases
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Getting rid of the banding on the TV would require very heavy debanding that would end up killing details. In other words, banding on the TV is a source issue. That doesn't change the fact that the 10-bit encode preserves gradients much better all over the place. Also, while the bitrate might be starved for 8-bit (as evident by notable banding), it works quite fine for 10-bit. Denpa Onna is not a particularly hard source to compress. And being somewhat bitrate starved wouldn't even hurt the comparison, really - it would just makes the difference(s) easier to spot. Also, you've completely ignored the other comparison I posted. Compare this to this for example - the huge gradient is very obviously better preserved with 10-bit than with 8-bit. You really should stop trying to downplay the compressional benefits of 10-bit, it just makes you look like an ignorant luddite.
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The DenpaOnna ones had detectable differences, at least, though arguably beneficial ones.
These two? If you'd told me that they were subsequent frames from one encode, I'd be more likely to believe you. If someone else who wasn't me and actually knew how to do all this looked up the file info for colour bitrate/creation time/whatever and proved that you mistakenly uploaded two screenshots from the same source instead of a comparison, I'd be more likely to believe you. If you said these were excellent examples how 8-bit and 10-bit looked pretty much the same, I'd believe you :-)
...as it is though, you figure in the added ability to run hardware media players, old hardware, *or* utilize good old non-beta players with time-tested codecs with all the possibilities of modern hardware to filter and process the hell out of an 8-bit source, reliably, without an issue or a crash in months of daily use, vs. lots of betas, issues, glitches, incompatibilities, stability issues, and lack of choice in 10-bit decoders, and is it worth it? NOT WITH THESE PROOFPICS IT AINT.
Why? Simple answer: JUST SWITCHING DECODERS OFTEN PROVIDES A MUCH MORE VISIBLE QUALITY CHANGE. That's without even touching post-processing options and filters that appear to be somewhat scarce, 10-bit functionality wise, at the moment.
Complex answer: cause old upscaled bitrate-starved "720p" (from a blocky original with lots of straight lines and staircase edges all over the place, as well as the occasional artifact) properly processed in KMP provides better image quality than either your 8-bit or your 10-bit screens, regardless of bitrate version. And it's not yet worth the hassle of relearning to tweak the newer semi-beta Pot Player to hopefully, after a certain learning curve, *maybe* achieve that sort of quality on a hi-bitrate 10-bit video. Someday.
doll_licca:
Also, I've found that in my experience with Hi10P encoding versus the regular 8-bit High Profile, the source material strongly affects how much extra compression quality you'll get given the same bitrates. Hi10P doesn't work as well with really old material, but there are some benefits.
technomo12:
Do em both as to please both crowd since you cant Please them all
anyway yea 10p has lower size but sometimes new stuff does not always means better
just a dime of thought
not back being a lurker
AceD:
--- Quote from: technomo12 on January 01, 2012, 04:59:31 PM ---anyway yea 10p has lower size but sometimes new stuff does not always means better
just a dime of thought
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In this case, it does mean better....it's been proven already.
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