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Hi10P and 8-bit encodes
bobthedog:
--- Quote from: AceD on January 01, 2012, 09:53:04 PM ---Group C is for people like you.
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Now, where have I heard this sort of thing before?
Oh yeah...
"Links... Recht... Links... Links... Recht... Gruppe 'C'..."
Nice. ::)
doll_licca:
--- Quote from: DmonHiro on January 01, 2012, 11:34:48 PM ---What I meant to say is that by encoding something from a source, you will probably create more banding, and that 10bit will help reduce how much banding is created. It cannot remove banding from the source. Only debanding filters can do that, and those have undesired side-effects.
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That is correct. I agree with that.
--- Quote from: DmonHiro on January 01, 2012, 11:34:48 PM ---And that's where I stopped reading (not really, I read the whole thing). So you're saying that people should hold back because some people still use 8 year old PCs? Fair enough... exactly how long should we wait? Until they upgrade? But why would they upgrade if they can play the files? Why would anyone upgrade if they can play the files.
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3. For people with slow PCs, the 480p slot will ALWAYS be provided. It may be 10bit as well, but even that 8 year old pc will be able to play it back.
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There are platforms that will not properly play 480p Hi10P encodes correctly (insufficient software support). I would not cut them off and tell them to get a new computer.
--- Quote from: DmonHiro on January 01, 2012, 11:34:48 PM ---Also, understand this: 10bit is coming. It's pretty much already here, and sooner or later, all official releases will be 10bit. At that point, what will the 10bit-haters do? Either accepts 10bit, reencode it themselves, or wait for random guy 7628 to reencode it for them and post in on the internet.
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If it were me (note that I'm not a 10-bit hater myself), I would have just not downloaded the anime and wait for BDs or DVDs to come out, and import them.
Aerah:
^ CoreAVC 2.5 and up dropped support for low-end CPUs AFAIK.
--- Quote from: DmonHiro on January 01, 2012, 11:34:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Aerah on January 01, 2012, 11:07:36 PM ---Lets put a 2004 desktop
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And that's where I stopped reading (not really, I read the whole thing). So you're saying that people should hold back because some people still use 8 year old PCs? Fair enough... exactly how long should we wait? Until they upgrade? But why would they upgrade if they can play the files? Why would anyone upgrade if they can play the files.
This debate is pretty much a dead end. People who hate 10bit will hate it regardless of how illogical that is. They will claim that it has nothing over 8bit, ignoring the blatantly obvious screenshots provided. As someone who has been on BakaBT for a long time, here is what I've learned:
1. BakaBT does NOT care about hardware support. Never has, never will. You not being able to play 10bit on WDLive or some other machine is not an argument that will be accepted.
2. BakaBT wants the best quality. If 10bit is the best quality (and it usually is), BakaBT will take it.
3. For people with slow PCs, the 480p slot will ALWAYS be provided. It may be 10bit as well, but even that 8 year old pc will be able to play it back.
Also, understand this: 10bit is coming. It's pretty much already here, and sooner or later, all official releases will be 10bit. At that point, what will the 10bit-haters do? Either accepts 10bit, reencode it themselves, or wait for random guy 7628 to reencode it for them and post in on the internet.
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You missed the point. First to go 10-bit should be SD THEN HD. SD 10-bit is accessible to a much broader range of hardware than HD 10-bit. SD 10-bit has less of a negative impact on the fan base. 1080p 10bit alienates a much broader range of hardware. Besides 10-bit SD need to prove itself - I just downloaded 480 10bit and each episode was NOT impressive size-wise - quite on the contrary.
The PC is dead. The popularity of netbooks (ehem, equivalent of 2004 PC) proven that a conventional PC is not needed anymore. Same goes for the popularity of the iPad, and for Windows users Windows 8 is designed to run on touchpad hardware (probably will also be equivalent of 2004/5 PC with DXVA2 GPU).
It is very anti-innovative to push bulky high performing heat-makers these days. There is no point - most users need a piss-poor CPU and a good GPU, a browser, and a media player. Hell my next 'upgrade' might as well be a W8 touchpad - way more convenient never technology.
BTW, I my example - the users ALREADY upgraded their GPU to play 1080p video.
I already commented on the screenshots.
I don't think BakaBT has a blacklist (*booru style)... does it? It would solve problems - just not showing the "hi10p" troll codes.
godcheese:
I am un-phased by the switch so I say go ahead and start doing it now... I'd still say keep 8bit there is no 10bit for, I doubt groups want to re-encode thousands of shows and movies just as they come along, replace them if they are better. So I guess I am voting for option 1? If the 10bit is a higher quality, nix the 8bit from the tracker, no need for it. I figured out how to watch 1080p 10bit. Most off the shelf computers are capable out of the box playing anything 10bit, even in 1080p.
I agree with one of the first few posts though, I think IX posted it, choose which tag you're going to call it hi10p, 10-bit, hi10 ect.
DmonHiro:
--- Quote from: Aerah on January 02, 2012, 03:35:34 AM ---The PC is dead. The popularity of netbooks (ehem, equivalent of 2004 PC) proven that a conventional PC is not needed anymore.
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Lol, seriously? If you truly think that, there's no point in talking. Anime fansubers will ALWAYS work on the PC for the PC. If users don't want to use the PC anymore, that's their problem.
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