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Hi10P and 8-bit encodes
doll_licca:
--- Quote from: DmonHiro on January 02, 2012, 07:17:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: Aadieu on January 02, 2012, 07:11:27 PM ---10-bit is FUGLY.
In practice, it is consistently WORSE than 8-bit releases at the moment.
Whatever possible gains there are, we either lose them and then some from imperfect software support, and encoders are still clueless on how to encode them properly. Look at that screenshot half a page up, DOES THAT LOOK LIKE LESS BANDING TO YOU?!?!
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Less banding then WHAT? If you want to make a comparison you have to show the exact same frame encoded from the exact same source at the exact same settings, with the only difference being the color depth. You can't just post a random picture and say "Look at all that banding, 10bit sucks!" without showing us how the 8bit and source look. How do I even know that picture if from a 10bit encode anyway? It could be upscaled from a 480p 8bit encode for all I know. Because you say so? Gonna need a little more then that.
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Too bad ScreenshotCompariso n is down, because I have several comparisons that meet that requirement perfectly. ;)
Aadieu:
--- Quote from: DmonHiro on January 02, 2012, 07:17:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: Aadieu on January 02, 2012, 07:11:27 PM ---10-bit is FUGLY.
In practice, it is consistently WORSE than 8-bit releases at the moment.
Whatever possible gains there are, we either lose them and then some from imperfect software support, and encoders are still clueless on how to encode them properly. Look at that screenshot half a page up, DOES THAT LOOK LIKE LESS BANDING TO YOU?!?!
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Less banding then WHAT?
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How do I even know that picture if from a 10bit encode anyway? It could be upscaled from a 480p 8bit encode for all I know. Because you say so? Gonna need a little more then that.
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Less banding than anything. That screen is pure banding.
Download ep1 of EveTaku's Bento 720p Hi10p and find out. Or look through my seed list and see what kind of Bento I'm known to have on my harddrive.
Or, I dunno, maybe realize that if we start distrusting what files people attribute screencaps to on bakabt, then all hell breaks loose considering how EVERY decision-making process, from selection to approval to what users choose to download, is based on screencaps???
DmonHiro:
Then show me some actual comparisons. I'm not saying it's not possible for a 10bit encode to look worse then a 8 bit one. Hell, I can find 480p encodes better then some 1080p encodes. But even if you find 1000 such comparisons, I can find 1000 where the 10bit looks better then the 8 bit. It's meaningless either way. This is not, and has never been a general accepted rule (that 10bit is automatically better then 8 bit). Always had BakaBT decided on a case by case basis. If 100 8bit encodes are better then their 10bit counterparts, then they shall be accepted. Nobody here said that 10bit will be automatically accepted. It will be accepted IF AN ONLY IF it is the best version. That means that if there's a better looking 8bit, it will be chosen.
What you are saying is that ALL 10bit encodes look worse then their 8 bit counterparts. That's just pain wrong. If that were the case, then why were 10bit encodes chosen over the 8bit variants? Why do you insist that all 10bit encodes look ugly? You're the only one who says that, have you considered that perhaps the problem is on your end?
RedSuisei:
@Aadieu: The problem is that you said 10-bit has more banding than 8-bit, but you only gave a screenshot of the 10-bit encode. If you really want to show people what you mean, then you need to show a screenshot of the 8-bit encode as well. Preferably it should be encoded at the exact same settings from exact same source with exact same filters, but if you just post a screenshot of the same frame from the 8-bit version by EveTaku as well, and it does show less banding than the 8-bit, then you will at least present your point in a more acceptable manner. You can't say "This looks worse than XXX" when we don't even know ow XXX looks like. Even then, that will most likely just the case with EveTaku's version, and not something that applies globally, as I have seen much more releases where 10-bit is superior to 8-bit.
@doll_licca: You can use the age-old method of uploading both to a image hosting site. Screenshotcompariso n.com is convenient, but even without that you can still make proper comparisons.
cyberbeing:
--- Quote from: Aadieu on January 02, 2012, 08:35:05 PM ---Download ep1 of EveTaku's Bento 720p Hi10p and find out.
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Downloaded EveTaku's Ben-to 01 Hi10p, took a screenshot of frame 727...what banding?
No clue what your screenshot is from, but it certainly doesn't seem to be EveTaku's Hi10p release.
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