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Hi10P and 8-bit encodes
OnDeed:
--- Quote from: dragon191 on January 03, 2012, 09:02:09 AM ---I think this community has a lot of people who can't play high resolution 10bit files properly. So I hope that BakaBT will decide that there will remain an 8bit SD slot. I mean, it took ages before XviD was waved goodbye, so I don't see a reason to not do the same here. :>
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And the differences between ASP encoders (xvid) and x264 is very large, both in compression and in the visual quality that is achievable. Which isn't the case here, 10-bit might help a lot when you have gradients in a cg-rendered anime, but for hand-drawn stuff, there really won't be banding unless the encoder screws up. In that case, 10-bit will likely only give you the small general compression benefit (0-5% bitrate reduction?).
In short, xvid was a morally dead format compared to h.264, since it simply never was very good. But that can't be said about 8-bit h.264 today at all (when compared to 10-bit h.264). Plain high profile h.264 stays to be a perfectly good format (assuming that x264 gets used, naturally.)
DmonHiro:
While OnDeed is correct, there is something he/she is forgetting. Almost every single xvid release is compatible with almost any player. It's actually quite hard to make an incompatible xvid .avi. That is not the case with h264. Most players cannot play anything that is encoded in a too high profile, for example. And since most encoders don't care, a vast majority of HD 8bit encodes were never compatible with hardware players to begin with. Expect media players, like WDLive, I guess. So yeah...
Puiu:
Here we have over 20 pages of nothing but illogical bickering.
It is clear that the vast majority want 10bit to be treated equally with 8bit. If the file is smaller and the quality > or = then i see no reason why we can't close this thread right now. If you have an 10 year old PC then that's your problem, don't go causing problems for the rest.
as i said in my last post:
--- Quote from: Puiu on January 01, 2012, 07:10:21 PM ---So who wins the poll? The one with the most votes or only the one with >50% of the total votes?
Can't we just make a compromise? Some want 6 months and some want them now. How about we treat 10bit equally with 8bit releases starting this spring? Until then upload the FullHD 8bit ones too along side 10bit (that's if the 10bit ones are better of course).
The codecs and players are already good enough to play the files, but we can let them work a whole winter to sort out the remaining bugs, performance issues and also the fansubbing groups to become more proficient at using 10bit.
In my opinion, by then all new HD (720/1080p) releases will be in 10bit.
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PS: for me the madvr 10bit looks better then the rest of the screens for ben-to (i also use madvr + potplayer +lav). Does anyone have screens of the BD 8/10bit?
dragon191:
--- Quote from: Puiu on January 03, 2012, 01:07:40 PM ---Here we have over 20 pages of nothing but illogical bickering.
It is clear that the vast majority want 10bit to be treated equally with 8bit. If the file is smaller and the quality > or = then i see no reason why we can't close this thread right now. If you have an 10 year old PC then that's your problem, don't go causing problems for the rest.
as i said in my last post:
--- Quote from: Puiu on January 01, 2012, 07:10:21 PM ---So who wins the poll? The one with the most votes or only the one with >50% of the total votes?
Can't we just make a compromise? Some want 6 months and some want them now. How about we treat 10bit equally with 8bit releases starting this spring? Until then upload the FullHD 8bit ones too along side 10bit (that's if the 10bit ones are better of course).
The codecs and players are already good enough to play the files, but we can let them work a whole winter to sort out the remaining bugs, performance issues and also the fansubbing groups to become more proficient at using 10bit.
In my opinion, by then all new HD (720/1080p) releases will be in 10bit.
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PS: for me the madvr 10bit looks better then the rest of the screens for ben-to (i also use madvr + potplayer +lav). Does anyone have screens of the BD 8/10bit?
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Thing is, wanting to keep an 8bit slot is not causing a problem for any 10bit fans, since they should still have their awesome 1080p/720p/whatever in 10bit. So it's actually those fanboys causing problems for the ones that can't view it.
Seriously, there is no harm in just having an 8bit slot.
DmonHiro:
--- Quote from: dragon191 on January 03, 2012, 01:40:56 PM ---Seriously, there is no harm in just having an 8bit slot.
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Obviously there is, if the staff of BakaBT asked the question in the first place. If there was no harm, nobody would be asking the question.
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