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Offline NaRu

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Comcast should be sued...again.
« on: January 16, 2012, 03:25:36 AM »
Comcast should be sued for their monthly bandwidth cap. Currently all resident users has a 250GB cap per month. They been doing this for a long time. Even bore they announced it to the world. Indirectly they are controlling the market because of a law "The fair Use Act." Most of you already knew this. The reason for this law made sense a decade ago. When high bandwidth first came out it was over crowed and speeds dropped below dialup speeds during prime hours. This law gave ISP the right to throttle connection or even charge extra for exceeding "the fair use" of the internet, but today things are different. Everything is done online now. The pipeline is very large and can handle a lot more. Bits are free. Comcast only has to pay for is the gateway between two computers. Example, you go to google from your desktop. Your computer sends out a packet of information through your ISP pipeline that connects to google's pipeline. Comcast only needs to do is maintain the gateway between each system. In the United States we are a third world country when it comes for internet. We spend too much money for slow speeds compared to the rest of the world.

I did some math trying to figure out how much "internet" I can use in 30 days until I hit my 250GB (I had unlimited for the longest time then my contract ended and for me to continue with the same agreement I had to pay $180 a month instead of $80.) My current speeds are 22Mbps down 5Mbps up for $80

250GB =  250,000MB
22Mbps = 2.8MB/s
250,000MB / 2.8MB/s = 89286 seconds
89286 seconds / 60 = 1488 mins
1488 mins / 60 = 25 Hours

So according to Comcast I have to pay them $80 a month for 25 hours of max speed downloading and uploading. If I spend more then 25 hours downloading they will cut me off for a year.

Now I also did the math for someone who has the max speed Comcast offers. 105Mbps down 10Mbps up

250GB =  250,000MB
105Mbps = 13.125MB/s
250,000MB / 13.125Mb/s = 19048 seconds
19048 seconds / 60 = 317 Mins
317 Mins / 60 = 5.3 Hours

So for someone who has the fastest speeds can only download and upload at max speeds is little over 5 hours every month.

Can anyone really hold back that much not to use there connection to prevent the 250GB cap. If there is going to be a cap they need to increase it. Not only it's too low but its way too low if you are paying for a high tier connection. 5 hours a month is something we can do in a single night. With my connection I can do that in a week. I normally don't download much but I do use my connection for netflix and hulu +. I believe comcast only goal with the cap is to scare people on using those services and force them to pay more for business or get there cable TV service instead. This is how they are controlling the market indirectly and it's wrong.

I'm done ranting.

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2012, 03:28:18 AM »
With the way things are now i think there is a lot of money to be made in the ISP business, and get better internet speeds at the same time.
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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2012, 03:32:45 AM »
With the way things are now i think there is a lot of money to be made in the ISP business, and get better internet speeds at the same time.

Someone needs to be a competitor towards Comcast. Once there is I believe they will stop the bull shit they try to do.

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2012, 03:35:28 AM »
things like streaming netflix are big in helping reverse this kind of shit.
Write letters to congressmen A LOT of letters and emails and get a trend going
because it is silly.

Fortunately ive got fios 35/35 unlimited use wooooo


And sadly naru comcast helps heavily slow the spread of competition mainly fios by having contracts with buildings in cities and things (thing apartments and developments) where comcast offers discount rates or services to the buildings or areas and then the utilities and shit are purchased at regular price through management company.

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2012, 04:18:27 AM »
When high bandwidth first came out it was over crowed and speeds dropped below dialup speeds during prime hours. This law gave ISP the right to throttle connection or even charge extra for exceeding "the fair use" of the internet, but today things are different.
Stupid solution for the problem. The ISP should have upgraded the infrastructure to handle the load instead of overbooking 100:1. That or provide caching for most of the stuff users want to download. One ISP I used ~12 years ago did this - the limit was something like 100MB/day (which was enough in the days before Youtube and Steam, also, they kept increasing it over the years, IIRC in the beginning it was 20MB and before I moved away from that location it was ~20GB, now the ISP offers uncapped connections, like all other wired ISPs) but lots of games and movies were available in FTP (and NetBIOS) servers inside the LAN. I could download at 10-100Mbps from them and the data did not count. Also IIRC the data you downloaded at night did not count too.

For example, last year my ISP upgraded the plans to higher speeds (but did not increase the price and actually reduced the price for me). This was done only after the ISP upgraded its network to handle the increased load and while it is specified that overbooking is 30:1, my upload almost never drops below 40Mbps (connection speed 300Mbps, so the minimum is 10) and the 40Mbps is only for a couple of hours per day during work days and abut 9 hours/day in the weekend.

Having a 250GB/month cap is basically the same as having a 761kbps connection.
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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2012, 06:57:33 AM »
Having a 250GB/month cap is basically the same as having a 761kbps connection.

What's wrong with that?  :-\. That is exactly how fast my connection is.  :-\

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2012, 07:08:56 AM »
you guys think too much =P

my speed, 2mbps(253KB/s) starting at 25us$ a month, no caps but charges 0.1us$ per GB, so far no closed ports but a sad story of i usually only reach 100KB/s at best and 50KB/s at average, oh and from time to time and no laughable time length the average speed drops to 20KB/s... and maybe reaches the theoretical 253KB/s cap around half a week for the whole month.

oh and theres this new high-speed ISP available in our area with a 5mbps 15GB cap for 24us$ a month, also has an interleaved path and tons of closed ports.
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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2012, 10:05:35 AM »
I pay 28 USD a month for 1.5mbps up and 512kbps down.
No limits....
But there's the 4mbps up and 1mbps down for 35 USD but that's just out of the question due to quality reasons.
If you consider COMCAST to be 3rd world then mine would still be in the 90's I guess.
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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2012, 11:29:18 AM »
4:1 for 35usd... wow... wish i had that kind of option though indeed quality reasons.

me just want a constant 256KB/s downstream and 128KB/s upstream and i'll be happy, though seriously, i see other countries reach 2MB/s line its nothing -,- demn...

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2012, 01:12:24 PM »
LOL

Poor you, if you don't like Comcast, switch. If you have no other option to switch, then don't use 250 GBs of data. If you think 250 GBs is too low of a cap (which, I would like to hear your reasoning), then why/how do you average around 8.3 GBs of data usage a day? I understand that you might download a lot of shows or games or whatever else you might acquire from the internet... but honestly, I find it hard to find enough stuff that I want to go over 100 GBs (let alone live with someone who does the exact same thing as we all do). I see my usage on my router... highest we have ever gone was like 180~ GBs. Close, but no cigar.


So if you don't like Comcasts dealings or how they operate... the internet isn't a right, it's a privilege for those who pay.

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2012, 01:30:14 PM »
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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2012, 03:24:04 PM »
I'm having trouble agreeing with you NaRu. I'm pissed off at Comcast as well for over all shitty service, but I don't see how you can hit that cap. I don't think I've seen Netflix ever try to stream something faster than 4mbps. Now lets assume you download an average of 4GB of stuff a day, thats 120GB per month of downloads. That leases 130GB now asuming they are using a powers of ten system we have 130,000,000/250 =520000 seconds. That's more than 6 days worth of streaming videos, or 4.8 hours per day.

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2012, 03:36:07 PM »
LOL

Poor you, if you don't like Comcast, switch. If you have no other option to switch, then don't use 250 GBs of data. If you think 250 GBs is too low of a cap (which, I would like to hear your reasoning), then why/how do you average around 8.3 GBs of data usage a day? I understand that you might download a lot of shows or games or whatever else you might acquire from the internet... but honestly, I find it hard to find enough stuff that I want to go over 100 GBs (let alone live with someone who does the exact same thing as we all do). I see my usage on my router... highest we have ever gone was like 180~ GBs. Close, but no cigar.


So if you don't like Comcasts dealings or how they operate... the internet isn't a right, it's a privilege for those who pay.

i dunno, i just downloaded 50GB last week and trying to download 75GB within two weeks. already 125GB overall, and since my net is so slow i can't really hit high downloads, my usage on average is 200GB/month, reaching 400GB on vacation/haleluya(omigawd i'm reaching 200+KB/s!) month.
oh and to remind, i'm not the only one using the net, so i guess the whole line is saturated to around 300-600GB a month.

Edit: BBT's download record is kinda meh because it doesn't include freeleech =/
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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2012, 03:48:30 PM »
Yeah, I have to say, I really don't see the problem. 250GB is loads. If they cut you off completely for going over that cap, then that is a bit harsh (throttling you down to like 25% of your normal speed, or charging for bandwidth used over the cap is much more reasonable), but I don't think you realise just how much strain heavy downloading can put on a network, especially an ADSL network (and especially with something like Bittorrent which uses hundreds of connections at once - it's not unheard of for a single bittorrent user with a badly configured client to completely knock out a router by, effectively, bombarding it with a DOS attack when they try to download, though generally the home router or client's NIC would die long before the ISP's does).

Even with a good network, there usually needs to be a cap at some point, because it's just not really feasible for any ISP to build a network capable of supporting lots of users downloading at max speeds at once. They need some way to limit the impact on the network and maintain reasonable speeds for everyone during peak conditions, and a cap is one obvious way to try and curtail excessive downloading, in order to achieve that. 250GB seems pretty reasonable to me, since it's something 95% of customers will never hit.

I used to have Virgin's 20Mb fibre broadband (I'm in the UK), and they had quite a good system for handling it. Rather than a hard cap (I think there was one, but it was ridiculously high, you'd have to try really hard to reach it), they outlined when their peak hours were, and said that if you downloaded more than a certain amount (10 or 15GB, I think it was) during peak hours on any one day, you would automatically be throttled to 25% of your normal speed for a few hours. It worked well, because it didn't stop people from downloading lots of massive files if they wanted to, but it forced heavy downloaders to think a bit and try to do big downloads at times when fewer people were using the network.

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012, 06:13:42 PM »
LOL

Poor you, if you don't like Comcast, switch. If you have no other option to switch, then don't use 250 GBs of data. If you think 250 GBs is too low of a cap (which, I would like to hear your reasoning), then why/how do you average around 8.3 GBs of data usage a day? I understand that you might download a lot of shows or games or whatever else you might acquire from the internet... but honestly, I find it hard to find enough stuff that I want to go over 100 GBs (let alone live with someone who does the exact same thing as we all do). I see my usage on my router... highest we have ever gone was like 180~ GBs. Close, but no cigar.


So if you don't like Comcasts dealings or how they operate... the internet isn't a right, it's a privilege for those who pay.

It's too low because I'm not the only one using the connection. My whole family uses the connection. Each one watches Netflix and Hulu on their TVs in rooms. My sister downloads stuff as well as my parents. I normally go over the 250GB limit. One month I hit over 800GB (thats when I got a threat to be cut off) In my case I have a huge family where each of us uses the internet. If I was the only one using it then it wouldn't be so bad. Comcast needs to understand that when you put in youtube, Netflix, and Hulu into consideration 250GB can be easily reached. If Comcast didn't offer cable TV I bet they wouldn't have a cap. I average around 400GB  a month.
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2012, 06:30:40 PM »
I have Comcast and I've always been aware of supposed 250GB/month cap. Strangely enough, I've never been warned/cut off/notified about going over the cap, even though I have done so many times in the past. I remember one month I went up to 528GB transferred.

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2012, 06:44:49 PM »
btw, is the cap downstream only or downstream+upstream? because if its the latter then at that speed its worse than i thought XD.

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2012, 07:17:35 PM »
btw, is the cap downstream only or downstream+upstream? because if its the latter then at that speed its worse than i thought XD.
It's both downstream+upstream

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2012, 07:18:24 PM »
Comcast should be sued for their monthly bandwidth cap. Currently all resident users has a 250GB cap per month. They been doing this for a long time. Even bore they announced it to the world. Indirectly they are controlling the market because of a law "The fair Use Act." Most of you already knew this. The reason for this law made sense a decade ago. When high bandwidth first came out it was over crowed and speeds dropped below dialup speeds during prime hours. This law gave ISP the right to throttle connection or even charge extra for exceeding "the fair use" of the internet, but today things are different. Everything is done online now. The pipeline is very large and can handle a lot more. Bits are free. Comcast only has to pay for is the gateway between two computers. Example, you go to google from your desktop. Your computer sends out a packet of information through your ISP pipeline that connects to google's pipeline. Comcast only needs to do is maintain the gateway between each system. In the United States we are a third world country when it comes for internet. We spend too much money for slow speeds compared to the rest of the world.

I did some math trying to figure out how much "internet" I can use in 30 days until I hit my 250GB (I had unlimited for the longest time then my contract ended and for me to continue with the same agreement I had to pay $180 a month instead of $80.) My current speeds are 22Mbps down 5Mbps up for $80

250GB =  250,000MB
22Mbps = 2.8MB/s
250,000MB / 2.8MB/s = 89286 seconds
89286 seconds / 60 = 1488 mins
1488 mins / 60 = 25 Hours

So according to Comcast I have to pay them $80 a month for 25 hours of max speed downloading and uploading. If I spend more then 25 hours downloading they will cut me off for a year.

Now I also did the math for someone who has the max speed Comcast offers. 105Mbps down 10Mbps up

250GB =  250,000MB
105Mbps = 13.125MB/s
250,000MB / 13.125Mb/s = 19048 seconds
19048 seconds / 60 = 317 Mins
317 Mins / 60 = 5.3 Hours

So for someone who has the fastest speeds can only download and upload at max speeds is little over 5 hours every month.

Can anyone really hold back that much not to use there connection to prevent the 250GB cap. If there is going to be a cap they need to increase it. Not only it's too low but its way too low if you are paying for a high tier connection. 5 hours a month is something we can do in a single night. With my connection I can do that in a week. I normally don't download much but I do use my connection for netflix and hulu +. I believe comcast only goal with the cap is to scare people on using those services and force them to pay more for business or get there cable TV service instead. This is how they are controlling the market indirectly and it's wrong.

I'm done ranting.

Why don't you use Comcast's business internet service? http://business.comcast.com/smb/services/Internet/plans
For the same plan as you have now, you'd only pay 20 bucks more a month for unlimited traffic, like it says in their terms here:

http://www.google.com/url?url=http://business.comcast.com/smb/services/Internet/faqs%2307b&rct=j&q=comcast+business+internet+limits&usg=AFQjCNHGjDiXRqSNkYtYhU0yzj2MQs7pvA&sa=X&ei=MIQUT_mJIpiqsgbNnsTdCA&ved=0CC4QygQwAQ&cad=rja

As far as I know, you can use this even if you aren't a business, and you get better support, email, hosting etc.

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2012, 07:31:56 PM »
btw, is the cap downstream only or downstream+upstream? because if its the latter then at that speed its worse than i thought XD.
It's both downstream+upstream

Thats where the problem lies in my assumption. I forgot about uploads. I have been doing so little torrenting (taking the slower DDL when possible) I forgot that most of you guys use torrents.