Comcast should be sued...again.

[AnimeJanai]

What happened with free market and antitrust laws?

Business-friendly laws are rarely consumer-friendly laws.  Choose one or the other.

Those are hippy laws from before Reagan.  Simplify laws.  Reduce the number of laws holding our businesses down from competing!!!   If you remove the antitrust and free market laws, innovation and more jobs will occur.  And if we give tax breaks for the rich, that is another plus for trickle down benefits.   I remember hearing a lot of variations of that during Reagan and Bush Senior when a lot of existing laws regulating businesses were changed.  Heck, even Nixon had some major changes to the tax codes for businesses that benefitted them as well as reducing the overall number of retirement benefit options non-wealthy people had.  Wealthy people actually received more options.

[kitamesume]

maybe this thread should be changed to "anything business related" lol anyway the government these days thinks taxes and flat laws are deh bomb but in reality, growing business is everything, without them countries crashes.

i mean, make friendly laws and make taxes lower, yea sure the government would have lower funds, but this'll encourage businesses to grow, meaning that small amount of tax would grow as well(10% of 1,000$ is little, but when that 1,000$ grows to 1,000,000$ then that 10% isn't so little anymore). plus growing companies creates job openings, so more immigrants and more money flowing into your country.

amen.

[Freedom Kira]

And Canada is home of the 2GB cap

Thank FUCK I have Aliant, fibre to home 70/30 no cap.

Even with Rogers that had a cap I was going TB everymonth and never heard a word from them.

I don't know what you're talking about. My cap is 250GB (actually it's 500 because I'm on their student plan, which they kinda keep under wraps except for their campus promotions). Shaw's plans.

[mgz]

LOL

Poor you, if you don't like Comcast, switch. If you have no other option to switch, then don't use 250 GBs of data. If you think 250 GBs is too low of a cap (which, I would like to hear your reasoning), then why/how do you average around 8.3 GBs of data usage a day? I understand that you might download a lot of shows or games or whatever else you might acquire from the internet... but honestly, I find it hard to find enough stuff that I want to go over 100 GBs (let alone live with someone who does the exact same thing as we all do). I see my usage on my router... highest we have ever gone was like 180~ GBs. Close, but no cigar.


So if you don't like Comcasts dealings or how they operate... the internet isn't a right, it's a privilege for those who pay.

It's too low because I'm not the only one using the connection. My whole family uses the connection. Each one watches Netflix and Hulu on their TVs in rooms. My sister downloads stuff as well as my parents. I normally go over the 250GB limit. One month I hit over 800GB (thats when I got a threat to be cut off) In my case I have a huge family where each of us uses the internet. If I was the only one using it then it wouldn't be so bad. Comcast needs to understand that when you put in youtube, Netflix, and Hulu into consideration 250GB can be easily reached. If Comcast didn't offer cable TV I bet they wouldn't have a cap. I average around 400GB  a month.

not to mention naru downloads porn every day he grabs the new porn releases.
But seriously say i enjoy 1 new anime that airs each of the 5 days a week with some of the hd encodes that come out you just burned through like 5% of your months bandwith
before you have even watched netflix youtube, streamed pandora or w/e the fuck music player your using.
plus that only assumes you download 5 episodes of 1080p encodes a week
if you download anything in HD quality you are burning through gigs like candy

And @ everyone who says he should just get business internet HE SHOULDNT HAVE TO GET BUSINESS GRADE INTERNET TO USE SHIT NORMAL PEOPLE USE NOW.
Lots of people stream music tv and movies legally and use lots of bandwith doing so. No reason you and your family should be penalized for comcast being cheap fucks

GET HIM A FUCKING SOLUTION THEN?

Naru, if there are no other good Internet Providers around your area, go Business Class and the headache is gone. If there are Internet Providers, then do ask them for their bandwidth policy and if its unlimited or limited.

I'd still say go Business Class just because it's that fucking good. Unless you have FiOS around your area.

there isnt a fucking solution its either get a competitors product which in most markets in the USA isnt available.
I happen to be in a place where i can get fios instead and get really nice uncapped non nazi internet package with tv and phone for 130 with a few premium cable channels

Comcast simply has a large enough strangle hold on vast areas they dont give a shit about competition. This is mostly thanks to exclusivity deals with large buildings in many cities and sports deals with certain cities(philly pa for example)

It would be like if burgerking and mcdonalds were the only big fast food restaurants. And 50% of the area mcdonalds was in burgerking wasnt. So they charge 1 dollar more for their burgers and dont give a shit about their competition in the other 50% cuz X percent of people are lemmings and just follow suit

[undetz]

And Canada is home of the 2GB cap

That's 2GB per day, right?

[kitamesume]

o.o how about my country's wireless broadband's hidden policy "the first 3months you get an up to [insert mbps here], after that you're throttled to an up to [insert kbps here] but calling the call center about the slow speed will get you back up to your rated [insert mbps here] for a few hours."

[NaRu]

o.o how about my country's wireless broadband's hidden policy "the first 3months you get an up to [insert mbps here], after that you're throttled to an up to [insert kbps here] but calling the call center about the slow speed will get you back up to your rated [insert mbps here] for a few hours."

That's annoying.

[dogsinafen]

And Canada is home of the 2GB cap

That's 2GB per day, right?

LOL

No.

[mgz]

And Canada is home of the 2GB cap

Thank FUCK I have Aliant, fibre to home 70/30 no cap.

Even with Rogers that had a cap I was going TB everymonth and never heard a word from them.

i use more then that on my cellphone every month lol
just checked for shits and giggles without using that much internet i used 5 gigs on my phone

[NaRu]

And Canada is home of the 2GB cap

Thank FUCK I have Aliant, fibre to home 70/30 no cap.

Even with Rogers that had a cap I was going TB everymonth and never heard a word from them.

i use more then that on my cellphone every month lol
just checked for shits and giggles without using that much internet i used 5 gigs on my phone

me too lol. Glad that I have unlimited

[Remak]

o.o how about my country's wireless broadband's hidden policy "the first 3months you get an up to [insert mbps here], after that you're throttled to an up to [insert kbps here] but calling the call center about the slow speed will get you back up to your rated [insert mbps here] for a few hours."

What company is that

[kitamesume]

smart, globe, sun, wifi-tribe, anything tied with the wireless broadband regime... if you're lucky enough that your area doesn't have much subscribers in it then they won't have much reason to trottle you.

[AnimeJanai]

The lack of successful lawsuits is worrisome because it means those tactics may thus be interpreted as being legally usable tactics to "punish" users.  For example, take the current tactics and, say, tweak it to do another 25% more "detriment" to the user.  Now, that would be punishment.  Graduated punishment levels then could range from 25% to 50% for example.

This type of punishment without removing the user's internet access means Comcast can punish the user while retaining the monies paid.   It's worrisome to a company if a punishment program causes users to leave to a different company.  However, the big ISPs and intellectual property companies have come up with a working solution.   They will share information thru a third party firm database.   Thus, users have no where to run because the other ISPs using that same database will assess the same level of account punishment.

This plan and its initial costs were underwritten by the RIAA, MPAA, and various other intellectual property protection companies.  Their goal was to make it as easy and least costly as possible for the big ISPs to cooperate.  The first steps will be implemented JULY 1, 2012 as indicated in the news URL below:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-57397452-261/riaa-chief-isps-to-start-policing-copyright-by-july-1/

[JarieSuicune]

I dunno about the whole comcast thing, but that last post's link... how does BakaBT expect that will affect itself? Does that mean BakaBT is effectively dead in the U.S. in less than a month?

[kitamesume]

not just bakaBT, anything P2P related is effectively killed since sharing files of unknown origin is officially tagged as piracy >,> not to mention 99% of download-able files will become nulled and google images will become blocked.

edit: not to mention firefox/chrome's habit of pre-downloading pages beforehand for faster page-loads... thats one heck of a sue party.

[Freedom Kira]

I wouldn't be so quick to say that. P2P is not piracy - they are distinct despite the large overlap caused by pirates (ab)using P2P. Not to mention, a large chunk of BBT's stuff is not licensed in the States, which means the ISPs would be wasting time and money tracking it. Stuff licensed in the US takes precedence.

The decrease in US traffic won't kill BBT as much as an American would expect. Americans make up a surprisingly small percentage of BBT's users.

[JarieSuicune]

Well, since it's supposedly based on IP address, it sure wouldn't be hard for that to be targeted; just use the tracker data, which is easily obtained.

Also, the U.S. does recognize and uphold foreign copyrights, not just local ones. (how strongly this applies, or if only with certain governments, I don't know). Or I could be totally off, but I doubt that.

As to the percentage of users, really? That's pretty interesting. I wonder where to find that statistic; generating it can't be hard, since IP accesses by a user would fully show it.

[kitamesume]

the implementation they'll be doing is pretty vague, if they're doing a data-base type comparison eh... i doubt they'll catch anything serious. but on the otherhand, if they go intensive scanning for suspicious files... tho that would cost them.

anyway i wonder if encrypted tunnels would save you the trouble from this bull****

[JarieSuicune]

True. I'm pretty sure they're keeping it an unknown to prevent it somehow being a flop right out (by workarounds being found).

Still, I can't argue against them. The basis they are going for is perfectly the right thing to do. To say otherwise is certainly wrong, and helps show a person to be what they really are. True, something about it MIGHT be abused, someone MIGHT suffer wrongly... Boo hoo. Heck, it might be me (considering my luck, it probably will). But, if it's to stop something wrong, then I have to support it.

I just wonder how it'll affect what, that's all. Ah well, I guess we'll see in under a month.

[Bob2004]

BakaBT Country Statistics. US users make up around 1/5th of the site's userbase, so if the site were to lose all of them, it would have quite an effect.

That said, there are plenty of ways around any surveillance/censorship, so even in the worst-case scenario, there's no way BakaBT would lose all its US users. And, even though it is possible for foreign copyrights to be enforced in the US, the people backing this ISP Monitoring scheme (the MPAA, RIAA, etc) don't give a crap about anything that doesn't make them lots of money, so very little, if anything, on this site would be targeted to begin with. The biggest threats would be companies such as Funimation, and their work is banned from this site for that reason.

This isn't quite as big a problem as many people make it out to be, although it's not good. American users should be safe using BakaBT anyway, and if any are worried about their security, then using a VPN (ideally located outside the US) will render this whole scheme totally ineffective, as well as increasing your security in general.