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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #60 on: May 04, 2012, 02:33:01 PM »
BakaBT Country Statistics. US users make up around 1/5th of the site's userbase, so if the site were to lose all of them, it would have quite an effect.

That said, there are plenty of ways around any surveillance/censorship, so even in the worst-case scenario, there's no way BakaBT would lose all its US users. And, even though it is possible for foreign copyrights to be enforced in the US, the people backing this ISP Monitoring scheme (the MPAA, RIAA, etc) don't give a crap about anything that doesn't make them lots of money, so very little, if anything, on this site would be targeted to begin with. The biggest threats would be companies such as Funimation, and their work is banned from this site for that reason.

This isn't quite as big a problem as many people make it out to be, although it's not good. American users should be safe using BakaBT anyway, and if any are worried about their security, then using a VPN (ideally located outside the US) will render this whole scheme totally ineffective, as well as increasing your security in general.

The only funny problem with using a VPN outside of the US is you get that local google.com's search engine. XD

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #61 on: May 04, 2012, 02:47:19 PM »
BakaBT Country Statistics. US users make up around 1/5th of the site's userbase, so if the site were to lose all of them, it would have quite an effect.

Look at the same statistics a bit closer. While there are many users, from USA, it is Sweden that are the seeding gods. Cutting USA off would only mean fucking over the seeder/leecher ratio on this tracker  ;D
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #62 on: May 04, 2012, 04:28:44 PM »
BakaBT Country Statistics. US users make up around 1/5th of the site's userbase, so if the site were to lose all of them, it would have quite an effect.

Look at the same statistics a bit closer. While there are many users, from USA, it is Sweden that are the seeding gods. Cutting USA off would only mean fucking over the seeder/leecher ratio on this tracker  ;D
We'll either get affected. All my seeds are non-seedboxed. I'm standing at 24.15 TB and I seed my torrent like a fucking monster. What provider do I use? Comcast. Not just some "comcast" set up. I've got a Business Class so I get unlimited bandwidth and all ports opened. They're expensive, but they're worth it. Now, I need a VPN.


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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #63 on: May 04, 2012, 05:15:38 PM »
A VPN that would be of same speed and limitations can't be cheap I imagine...
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #64 on: May 04, 2012, 07:56:56 PM »
BakaBT Country Statistics. US users make up around 1/5th of the site's userbase, so if the site were to lose all of them, it would have quite an effect.

That's a tad higher than I thought it was. Maybe I'm just naive, but I usually expect closer to 1/2 of the users on any site being American.

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #65 on: May 05, 2012, 01:56:39 AM »
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I currently upload ~1.8 TB per month.  Due to current lack of hard drive space, my downloading has diminished a lot, so it's something like under 100 GB month now.  Currently on Verizon FiOS, which is fairly pricey for my bandwidth, but it has been exceptionally reliable and with excellent service.

I've been really careful to rarely involve myself with "traditional" copyrighted materials ... almost never Hollywood movies, very little North American & European CDs for music.  I can borrow nearly any CD, DVD or BluRay imaginable from local libraries to watch &/or rip at my pleasure.

I don't game, and I rely mostly on open source software.  I do occasionally grab a copy of Windows or Photoshop, but have many means other than torrenting for those needs.  Windows can be downloaded from Microsoft now anyway; it's getting the key (or a decent crack) that's the hard part.   I've purposely looked for & supported public domain material for the majority of my torrenting.  Collected a lot of bootleg music that doesn't fall under copyright protection.

So, I'll be watching carefully to see what happens to me.  I'll be totally & royally fucked off if Verizon comes after me just for torrenting/bandwidth use.  I pay a lot for it and am unusually aware & compliant when it comes to copyright issues.  I think the current laws suck immeasurably, and the industries have completely run amok with their greed, but I also don't have the time & resources to fight them.  Or the corrupt politicians they buy off to get away with this sort of shit.

What I do is deny them any of my money, and have for a long time.  I spent tens of thousands of dollars from the early 1980s through about 1995-ish, at which point my cashflow into their accounts has virtually dried up to near-zero.  For the amount of money I spent over the years, I figure I've bought a lifetime membership to any fucking thing I wish to listen to or watch at this point.  If more people did that, they would lack the funding they require to pull some of the crap they do.

Here's one of the real kickers with ISPs:  if they restrict your bandwidth due to your torrenting activities, you can just downgrade to their lowest level services.  Who the fuck needs a 15 ro 20 Gb/sec download if there's nothing to use it on?  I sure as fucking shit ain't gonna spend any money buying the privilege to watch a shitty Netflix rip once, in addition to paying for high-speed broadband.  The ISPs are going to suddenly find themselves with a much higher percentage of customers with baseline service contracts.  If it wasn't for my torrenting ... in large part of legal material ... I probably don't need more than about 50 GB per month, maybe 100 tops.  I don't even waste enough time at youtube to boost my download stats.
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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #66 on: May 05, 2012, 02:06:22 AM »
BakaBT Country Statistics. US users make up around 1/5th of the site's userbase, so if the site were to lose all of them, it would have quite an effect.

That's a tad higher than I thought it was. Maybe I'm just naive, but I usually expect closer to 1/2 of the users on any site being American.
its ok sweden has 1/6 the users and more upload
so just get another 3000 swedes and we will do fine

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #67 on: May 05, 2012, 03:17:24 AM »
That's a tad higher than I thought it was. Maybe I'm just naive, but I usually expect closer to 1/2 of the users on any site being American.

The founder of the site was British, current registered owner is (if I remember correctly is) a Serbian, the domain is from Montenegro. The only thing I don't know for sure is where the server is located. Other than that I am unsure of what makes this site "American".
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #68 on: May 05, 2012, 03:23:49 AM »
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I am unsure of what makes this site "American".

It's on the Internet.  We invented it, we own it.  Now, get off our lawn!  :police:
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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #69 on: May 05, 2012, 05:33:13 AM »
The only thing I don't know for sure is where the server is located.
The IP geolocation database says the server is in Netherlands.

But since the site is in English and does not have a TLD belonging to English speaking countries other than the US, Americans assume it's American :)
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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #70 on: May 05, 2012, 05:35:42 AM »
That's a tad higher than I thought it was. Maybe I'm just naive, but I usually expect closer to 1/2 of the users on any site being American.

The founder of the site was British, current registered owner is (if I remember correctly is) a Serbian, the domain is from Montenegro. The only thing I don't know for sure is where the server is located. Other than that I am unsure of what makes this site "American".
Who Is Hosting This.

The only thing I don't know for sure is where the server is located.
The IP geolocation database says the server is in Netherlands.

But since the site is in English and does not have a TLD belonging to English speaking countries other than the US, Americans assume it's American :)
I didn't. Back in 2004 when I first joined, I thought it was from United Kingdom.


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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #71 on: May 05, 2012, 06:07:12 AM »
Well, Box never made it a secret that he was British, so back then it was common knowledge I think.
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #72 on: May 05, 2012, 07:01:21 AM »
The founder of the site was British, current registered owner is (if I remember correctly is) a Serbian, the domain is from Montenegro. The only thing I don't know for sure is where the server is located. Other than that I am unsure of what makes this site "American".

While I never had the chance to talk to Box, since I joined not long before the site moved to the BBT domain, I believe you are correct on Jaru being Serbian, after following updates on the BBT meetup a few months back. I'll take your word for Box being British.

I think you misunderstand what I said there (granted, it's somewhat ambiguous). I simply assume that about 50% of the users of any site are American, whether or not the site itself is based in America. I don't associate a site with America otherwise, unless I know it's based in America.

v Actually, that sounds more correct for Duki. Slightly iffy on Jaru though. Eh, whatever.
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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #73 on: May 05, 2012, 08:12:45 AM »
Jaru is Dutch, Duki is Serbian (again if I remember correctly). Oh well, I don't go for the user count, but ownership when it comes to sites. Just different point of view I guess.
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #74 on: May 05, 2012, 11:09:15 AM »
how do you sue a mega-corporation without getting shushed by money or getting silenced by a hired goon >,> that is if they're shady enough to go off-court.

anyway, all we can do is wait... hopefully its not as devastating as what we're thinking.

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #75 on: May 19, 2012, 07:09:33 PM »
Here's one of the real kickers with ISPs:  if they restrict your bandwidth due to your torrenting activities, you can just downgrade to their lowest level services. 

My current ISP was bought up by another one.  The TOS then changed automatically which it could always since they reserve the right to change terms without notice (it's the customers' responsibility to read the TOS).  If you don't buy the premium plans, all the other internet service plans have time limits.  Because the former plan I was on at the former ISP wasn't their premium-priced plan, the new company simply tweaked my plan's TOS to include a 5000 minute per month connection time.  That way, they still advertise it as unlimited.  So, your idea of downgrading is good, but in this case, the ISP is twisting my arm to upgrade. 

The new TOS reminds me of the old Three Stooges joke of all you can eat restaurants.  You go in to the restaurant and when you try to get a 2nd serving of something, the company employee tells you "You already received service.  That is all you can eat."  Unlimited in this context simply means they didn't tell you the actual limits for every context.  It's a business-friendly interpretation of the TOS.   Now, all that remains is for EVERY company to adopt similar policies and then there will be no alternatives for the customer to choose from in order to avoid this.

Free enterprise is about making money, so I cannot fault them for wanting to make as much money as they can from me.  Businesses are soulless entities out there to make money; they are not there to take care of people-oriented problems unless you pay them to do that for you.  If they wanted to get a law passed that stated I must give them 120 trillion dollars per second, I would have to agree or be called a communist by Rush Limbaugh and Fox News for taking sides against a corporation.  That sounds rediculous now, but at what point is it a serious matter that goes beyond profit-making and into abuse?  10% of the way there?  20% of the way there?  There's no hope to avoid the ISP's onerous approach in my area except to go to Comcast.  Verizon FiOS won't come in due to lack of enough new customer density to repay them for their troubles.  It used to be that comcast was the "bad guy" around here for their frequent support of intellectual property lawsuit letters (they act as the agent for the intellectual property holders for certain titles because comcast is part owner of quite a bit of intellectual property via some of its subsidiaries).  But when other companies leapfrog past after consumers become used to the existing customer rights environment's status quo, it is particularly annoying for those who remember how things used to be before so many business-friendly legal changes were made and federal regulations changed or removed to allow businesses to do as they pleased with wordings, definitions, etc. 

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how do you sue a mega-corporation without getting shushed by money or getting silenced by a hired goon >,> that is if they're shady enough to go off-court.

They don't have to go that far.  All they need to do is cow you thru fear of losing your job.  The cowing is made much easier if you are a wage slave or don't have extensive financial reserves.  I have a first hand example of this kind of justice attempted upon me.  I was sole remaining independent witness of the event where a wealthy influential man ran the red light and hitting another car.  He became the defendant in a lawsuit since there was enough evidence after I gave witness.  I then received unsavory dirty-tactics pressure to withdraw my sworn signed statements.  If I didn't testify for the prosecution, then they would stop putting negative pressures on my reputation and my employment.  That included dirty tactics to show I was drunk which I am not as I don't drink even at company employee private socials.  They subpoenaed club card records from various stores to see if anyone in the family buys alcohol or drugs that can impair driving.  Pretty dirty of them trying to discredit a witness that way.  They tried other tactics which might work on a normal person, but I was safe because I was safe and clean due to my high security clearance which regularly checks up on me, where I travel, etc.  Someone was sent to watch me, but that failed as I live in a secure, gated community where guests have to be invited in or usually they get rejected because there is no "come in and browse for the person's residence".  Because we also own the half-mile of public road just to get to our entrance, they cannot even sit there and wait outside the main gate before the police get called to make them leave or be cited.  So, if you run afoul of a wealthy or influential entity, you might get a lot of negative pressure to not do the right thing if they are arrogant about their own sense of justice.  The small guy might win, but usually it is the wealthy influential person that wins regardless of the merits of the situation.  It cost me to do the right thing in this case, which was what the rich person's defense wanted to do.  I guess statistically, that tactic works for the defense goon team that rich person hired, but they weren't able to overcome in this one case.  Darn it all, it dragged on for two years before being resolved in the prosecution's favor.  It's appalling how long and how many depositions and people were involved from the government legal system on the rich defendant's behalf.  I say the influential person abused the common taxpayer in this case.  Is the opposite situation possible?  Probably not.  In my metro area, three rich kids going out to harass homeless people by beating them (they took weapons and at least one baseball bat) finally managed to kill a homeless person and only one of them got cited and then only for serving 70+ hours of community service and was allowed to do the community service by working at one of his father's companies.  Important to note that these kids went out to harass homeless as a repeat thing.  In the plea bargain, the defense for the one kid stated that it would be wrong to ruin this child's future life with incarceration or a criminal record.  Evidently, the city prosecutor (republican) listened to that and agreed because the plea bargain offer was pretty generous in my opinion.  That's the difference in value a person has in the USA? 

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #76 on: May 19, 2012, 07:29:47 PM »
Oh, lol.
Don't want to ruin kids' life for murder.
That's a really good reason to end the kids' lives. It's not a question of stupid youth, it's a question of fucked up psychos.

Luckily in Finland there's a lot of options for your service providers, only mobile ones are limited for now.

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #77 on: May 19, 2012, 08:42:41 PM »
In regard to that sort of negative pressure, I've never had the misfortune that Janai has had, but my father and brother sure have. My father was forced out of his job for refusing to help embesal money, and one of my brother's co-workers who is higher up from him is a felon (and not the lame drug related kind...the dangerous kind). In the later case he got off clean because his father had lots of power and money.

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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2012, 10:43:22 PM »
As the USA continues its evolution into an even wider gap between the haves and have-nots, this type of unequal justice will only become more and more the norm.  One can be proud of the country as a place of laws, but that kind of thinking is incomplete.   Who are the laws for?   Everyone?   Or only those able to spend the money in order to have the laws work for them? 


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Re: Comcast should be sued...again.
« Reply #79 on: May 24, 2012, 08:08:14 PM »
Um, looking at that top 10, the US has the far largest user user base, and most uploaded data... Yeah, per-person, Sweden and Ukraine may be better seeders, but...

Anyway, how would using a VPN help? You still have to send packets to that, which first go through the ISP, and then packets come back through the ISP. You may 'mask' where those packets ultimately went, but the VPN itself can be tracked to, and could be recognized as a piracy tool, couldn't it? I've never looked into it, so I don't actually know anything about it, but I find it hard to believe it could be as simple as that to fool the very supplier of your internet. It'd be like having a bus driver go to a place they know they shouldn't and expecting them to not notice?
Like I said, I don't really know about this.