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Re: Linux
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2012, 07:25:40 PM »
^If your windows brakes (likely) you will have to reinstall it and that's gonna be a problem of windows and linux are on the same drive.
Not so much, grub can be repaired easily with a live cd/usb

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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2012, 07:57:32 PM »
^If your windows brakes (likely) you will have to reinstall it and that's gonna be a problem of windows and linux are on the same drive.

You will probably need to reinstall GRUB if that does happen, it's true, and that is a bit of a pain, but it's not too massive a problem. Just reinstall Windows as normal, then install GRUB again, and things *should* all return back to normal.

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« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2012, 09:21:36 AM »
^If your windows brakes (likely) you will have to reinstall it and that's gonna be a problem of windows and linux are on the same drive.

I don't get what you mean by this? I've been using the same installation of windows 7 since windows 7 came out and it's the same as when I installed it?

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« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2012, 09:49:13 AM »
hmmm, linux...
i guess wanna try to use it...
so, any recommendation on the version or should i use latest one? is the thing same as windows (the installation procedure, the gui)?

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« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2012, 01:08:21 PM »
Would you rather install Win98 or Windows 7 to use on your high end computer?
The installation is very straightforward, the processes is simple nowadays as it is to install Windows.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2012, 03:19:48 PM »
Would you rather install Win98 or Windows 7 to use on your high end computer?
The installation is very straightforward, the processes is simple nowadays as it is to install Windows.

Really?


hmmm, linux...
i guess wanna try to use it...
so, any recommendation on the version or should i use latest one? is the thing same as windows (the installation procedure, the gui)?

the latest, obviously. i'd be redundant if i mention distro options at this point.
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Re: Linux
« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2012, 03:29:51 PM »
hmmm, linux...
i guess wanna try to use it...
so, any recommendation on the version or should i use latest one? is the thing same as windows (the installation procedure, the gui)?

the latest, obviously. i'd be redundant if i mention distro options at this point.
and, yes...now downloading 32bit and 64bit of latest ubuntu(linux)...

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« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2012, 03:56:22 PM »
Would you rather install Win98 or Windows 7 to use on your high end computer?
The installation is very straightforward, the processes is simple nowadays as it is to install Windows.

Really?

I'm not sure if i'm misunderstanding the meaning of this post, but I think that duki was saying to get the latest version because its as easy as windows 7, not windows 98

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« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2012, 04:09:40 PM »
Would you rather install Win98 or Windows 7 to use on your high end computer?
The installation is very straightforward, the processes is simple nowadays as it is to install Windows.

Really?

I'm not sure if i'm misunderstanding the meaning of this post, but I think that duki was saying to get the latest version because its as easy as windows 7, not windows 98
i think Kyrdua is joking...

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« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2012, 04:21:35 PM »
^If your windows brakes (likely) you will have to reinstall it and that's gonna be a problem of windows and linux are on the same drive.

I don't get what you mean by this? I've been using the same installation of windows 7 since windows 7 came out and it's the same as when I installed it?
Windows wants to be the first entry in the bootloader so it erases it to write a new one while installing. It only appends to the bootloader if it identifies that the bootloader is from an earlier version of windows. This is why installing Windows 7 after Vista or XP (as separate OSes, not upgrade) poses no issues--it shows both OSes in the boot menu. Installing XP after 7 wipes out the bootloader--XP doesn't have an idea what windows 7 is since the latter is newer--so it only shows XP after the install. If you have linux on the bootloader (which is most likely grub), it will become inaccessible as windows will install its own bootloader. There are ways around this issue though.

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« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2012, 04:55:20 PM »
That makes sense. I don't really know how the windows boot loader works as the only time I've ever dual booted was for the windows 7 beta. If I ever needed linux for something I just used a live CD

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« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2012, 12:41:46 AM »
Hi, late to the game. Just got back from a cruise.

Personally, I have a weirder suggestion.

Try: Ubuntu 9.04 and slowly move up through the distros as you begin to learn how they work. See how shit borks and whatnot throughout. Learn to use the cube, then hit the newer distros and be prepared to be confused as fuck for the new almost tablet style distro.

Then go fuck around with mint, archlinux, fedora or whatever.
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« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2012, 06:07:18 AM »
Hi, late to the game. Just got back from a cruise.

Personally, I have a weirder suggestion.

Try: Ubuntu 9.04 and slowly move up through the distros as you begin to learn how they work. See how shit borks and whatnot throughout. Learn to use the cube, then hit the newer distros and be prepared to be confused as fuck for the new almost tablet style distro.

Then go fuck around with mint, archlinux, fedora or whatever.

Why?  Where is the merit in this quest?  Then you'll have a user who gets frustrated because, in all likelihood, there will be at least some things that they have to learn how to do two or three times as methods change and old practices become obsolete.  You're also recommending that users run outdated software, in a version of the distro that won't be supported (at least not without complaints) in their forums or IRC help channels.  And Ubuntu is the only distro I've seen that's hopped on to this stupid, "Everything must be a tablet, oh god, I'm so ashamed to admit I once used something called a desktop!" bandwagon.  I haven't any other distros that have changed over to a tablet-style UI by default for desktops.

So, basically, your recommendation is, "Go use old software that's probably not maintained and may have security issues or bugs that won't be solved.  Slowly move up to a current install, and then get ready to have an initially unuseable GUI.  Finally, after you've done all this, abandon Ubuntu and move on to something that does things completely differently."  In my opinion, taking this advice is a recipe for making yourself hate linux.  I'd still recommend people do a little bit of research, and find a disto that looks like it meets their needs.  Play around with liveCDs or bootable thumbdrives for experimentation purposes.  When you find one that clicks, stay with it for a while.  Having a consistent way of doing things in a distro for a year or two can go a long way to keep you from getting too frustrated.  I'd be interested to hear why you think this is a good idea, but as it stands, I see no practical gains from doing this, and the potential for the user to just get frustrated with things and give up.  Perhaps if these were IT professionals who might have to maintain a server in a corporate environment that takes ages to update, because theydon't want to have to redo all their in-house scripts and tricks when something changes, this might make sense.  However, it seems like these are just general users who thought it might be cool or useful to know a little bit about linux.  I wouldn't tell someone to install Win98, and then move up to Win7 over time, and likewise I can't see recommending doing this for linux.

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« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2012, 06:54:55 AM »
and, yes...now downloading 32bit and 64bit of latest ubuntu(linux)...

Don't bother installing 64-bit Ubuntu. It's way less stable than 32-bit and there's no point in it. 32-bit Ubuntu handles memory over 4GB with no problem, as long as you have more than 4GB installed when you install it (if you don't, you just have to install something later when you increase your RAM).

Personally, I have a weirder suggestion.

Try: Ubuntu 9.04 and slowly move up through the distros as you begin to learn how they work. See how shit borks and whatnot throughout. Learn to use the cube, then hit the newer distros and be prepared to be confused as fuck for the new almost tablet style distro.

Then go fuck around with mint, archlinux, fedora or whatever.

Suggesting to start with 9.04 is definitely weird. That version is nearly three years old.

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« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2012, 08:38:18 AM »
just finished testing it and i got to say that is...Weird!!
the gui is simple, i like it, but its kinda hard to use sometimes...
meh, now im pretty sure that im more to Windows...

one more thing...do i have to install driver?

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« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2012, 09:19:32 AM »
Depends. Usually no, but if it offers you proprietary drivers available, click here to install you should.
They are usually only drivers for graphic cards, but can occasionally be for sound, network and similar.

But if everything seems to work, and Ubuntu is not offering you proprietary software notice, you probably won't have to install any driver like you would for windows.
Additional configuration is necessary tho in case you have scanners, printers or a TV card f/e.

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« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2012, 09:25:07 AM »
and, yes...now downloading 32bit and 64bit of latest ubuntu(linux)...

Don't bother installing 64-bit Ubuntu. It's way less stable than 32-bit and there's no point in it. 32-bit Ubuntu handles memory over 4GB with no problem, as long as you have more than 4GB installed when you install it (if you don't, you just have to install something later when you increase your RAM).

Pretty sure that'd just be the P.A.E kernel that you need to install.  It'll allow you to use more than 4GB of RAM on 32-bit installed, but no single application will be able to use more than 4GB of RAM with that, compared to a 64-bit install.  For general use, it shouldn't pose a real issue, though.

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« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2012, 12:59:42 PM »
This is the first time I've heard anything about 64-bit Ubuntu being less stable than the 32-bit version. I've never had any problems with it, and as far as I'm aware, nor has anyone I know. It's always been fine.

And I agree about using 9.04 being stupid, but I suppose you could make an argument for trying the LTS version (10.4 I think it is?), which is old, but is also still fully supported. I don't see much point though, unless the latest version really is significantly worse.

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« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2012, 01:07:37 PM »
This is the first time I've heard anything about 64-bit Ubuntu being less stable than the 32-bit version. I've never had any problems with it, and as far as I'm aware, nor has anyone I know. It's always been fine.

T'was common for me to see people in ubuntu forums complaining about their 64 bit installl. mostly driver related, iirc.
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« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2012, 01:16:15 PM »
This is the first time I've heard anything about 64-bit Ubuntu being less stable than the 32-bit version. I've never had any problems with it, and as far as I'm aware, nor has anyone I know. It's always been fine.

And I agree about using 9.04 being stupid, but I suppose you could make an argument for trying the LTS version (10.4 I think it is?), which is old, but is also still fully supported. I don't see much point though, unless the latest version really is significantly worse.
I have had problems with ubuntu 64bits. Flash works like shit on it. Once again a proprietary softwares are ruining everything for the freeworld.
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