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Re: Linux
« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2012, 01:26:08 PM »
just finished testing it and i got to say that is...Weird!!
the gui is simple, i like it, but its kinda hard to use sometimes...
meh, now im pretty sure that im more to Windows...

Naturally? I mean I'm pretty sure you were like that when you were new to to windows 7/xp when you used an older version...
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Re: Linux
« Reply #61 on: January 29, 2012, 03:29:08 PM »
This is the first time I've heard anything about 64-bit Ubuntu being less stable than the 32-bit version. I've never had any problems with it, and as far as I'm aware, nor has anyone I know. It's always been fine.

I've had so many problems with my initial 11.04 x64 install. I eventually switched to the x86 install when my attempt to upgrade to 11.10 x64 broke the installation (froze on some step), but it turns out my SSD started failing soon after so I had to reinstall a third time onto a replacement. Doing alright now.

And I agree about using 9.04 being stupid, but I suppose you could make an argument for trying the LTS version (10.4 I think it is?), which is old, but is also still fully supported. I don't see much point though, unless the latest version really is significantly worse.

LTS would make a whole lot more sense, yes. I would even recommend 10.04 over 10.10 and 11.04. 10.04 still uses GNOME Classic, actually, so one would be able to get a feel for both the classic UI and the new Unity UI that's included in 11.10. I'm pretty sure my old install of 11.04 x64 used Classic as well, mostly because Ubuntu's graphics drivers for Intel HD graphics weren't good enough to handle Unity back then. 11.10 is fine, though. I'm finding it pretty smooth.

just finished testing it and i got to say that is...Weird!!
the gui is simple, i like it, but its kinda hard to use sometimes...
meh, now im pretty sure that im more to Windows...

I'm more of a Windows guy myself, too. Ubuntu just takes some getting used to.

It's all psychology. Change is difficult to do - once you get used to something and get comfortable with it, you don't want to switch away. I'm certain that if you started with Ubuntu and tried Windows for the first time, you would say the exact same thing about it and say you're more of an Ubuntu person.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2012, 08:12:16 AM »
just finished testing it and i got to say that is...Weird!!
the gui is simple, i like it, but its kinda hard to use sometimes...
meh, now im pretty sure that im more to Windows...

Naturally? I mean I'm pretty sure you were like that when you were new to to windows 7/xp when you used an older version...
nope, all windows are still the same to me...the taskbar, win explorer, etc...

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Re: Linux
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2012, 08:58:08 AM »
The first thing I did when I installed the latest ubuntu was switch to gnome-fallback.  Unity feels like it was made for a phone or something.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2012, 11:15:27 AM »
just finished testing it and i got to say that is...Weird!!
the gui is simple, i like it, but its kinda hard to use sometimes...
meh, now im pretty sure that im more to Windows...

Naturally? I mean I'm pretty sure you were like that when you were new to to windows 7/xp when you used an older version...
nope, all windows are still the same to me...the taskbar, win explorer, etc...

lol, so i was the only one who had a bit trouble adjusting from win 95 to xp...
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Re: Linux
« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2012, 11:27:34 AM »
i didn't get the chance to experience 95, rather started w/ dos -> 98 -> XP -> 2months of vista -> XP -> win7

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Re: Linux
« Reply #66 on: January 30, 2012, 11:44:39 AM »
The only win OSs i skipped starting from 95 were Vista and ME/2000. tried 7and NT.

But bah, enough of that before this subtopic grows.
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Re: Linux
« Reply #67 on: January 30, 2012, 07:35:32 PM »
I know .metro metro. is around, he posted on another thread within the past two days, I recall. Hope he didn't start this thread just to watch it grow and see how long until someone notices that he doesn't seem to care. *koff koff*
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Re: Linux
« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2012, 09:28:26 PM »
I know .metro is around, he posted on another thread within the past two days, I recall. Hope he didn't start this thread just to watch it grow and see how long until someone notices that he doesn't seem to care. *koff koff*


Oh I'm around, just swamped in school work. Turns out taking 6 classes, two of the, one year above mine, perhaps was not the greatest of ideas. However, I have actually been reading this thread and the information I've gotten HAS been useful. I wasn't expecting any kind of response and I got some very good ones. As well as a consensus of the fact that starting out I should go with uBuntu or Mint, and then get to a real Linux OS.

Also, my name is metro. not .metro :)

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Re: Linux
« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2012, 06:28:18 AM »
Also, my name is metro. not .metro :)

Maybe he thought you were hiding?

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Re: Linux
« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2012, 08:42:38 AM »
I was close. Corrected.

Mint's interface is more similar to Windows than Ubuntu's, which is more similar to Mac these days. Should be fine if you pick based on that. 10.04 is when Ubuntu started looking more like Mac's interface.

I'm in 7 courses this term myself, actually, though the actual workload is more like six courses for now. But hey, at least respond to the thread you made, if you're going to respond to any threads, huh? =P

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Re: Linux
« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2012, 09:51:12 AM »
^ ???

Ubuntu's 10.4* Gnome looked pretty darn similar to Harey Hardon version.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2012, 10:40:37 PM »
I was close. Corrected.

Mint's interface is more similar to Windows than Ubuntu's, which is more similar to Mac these days. Should be fine if you pick based on that. 10.04 is when Ubuntu started looking more like Mac's interface.

I'm in 7 courses this term myself, actually, though the actual workload is more like six courses for now. But hey, at least respond to the thread you made, if you're going to respond to any threads, huh? =P

Haha yeah, and 4 labs. Those are the real time sinks.

I didn't have anything to add to it because I was completely clueless on the topic, I didn't want to muddy the waters, like I'm doing now.

Now I have a question, which one, if either, is restrictive with it's command line functions?

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Re: Linux
« Reply #73 on: February 01, 2012, 01:38:55 AM »
The command line in any Unix OS is broadly the same, across any OS, distribution, etc. The programs installed on different OSes will be different, but in terms of Ubuntu vs. Mint, the command line will work pretty much exactly the same in 90% of cases when you need to use it. The only difference will be what programs are installed (eg. you can't run the cmake command unless cmake is installed).

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Re: Linux
« Reply #74 on: February 01, 2012, 04:34:03 AM »
I installed mint on my laptop since I haven't used it since like version 7 and I wanted to test the new one out, but I'm having some issues with video playback. On windows 7 on the same computer using CCCP, MPC-HC, and coreavc I get flawless playback, but in mint I've tried SMplayer, gnome-mplayer, vlc, and like 4 other ones and they all have either stuttering issues, no vertical sync, or both. I've messed around in the settings for all players, tried different graphics drivers, played around with settings in nvidia x server, but it's always the same problem.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #75 on: February 01, 2012, 04:58:26 AM »
Shit sorry, yeah, I mean 10.04 the LTS ver and one of the last versions (sans 10.10) that was good with the cube. 11 is def more like a tablet than an actual computer OS.

I personally would try to familiarize myself with the older look and utilities rather than hop into 11 and be confused as fuck as to what is going on. I hate 11. Definitely would like to get 10 back on a laptop. I personally felt 10.04 was the distro that I was the most productive on. After that would be windows, then after that would be 11.04 and after that would be mac snow leopard.
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Re: Linux
« Reply #76 on: February 01, 2012, 07:32:57 AM »
^ ???

Ubuntu's [10.04] Gnome looked pretty darn similar to Harey Hardon version.

I was referring to the windows, where the default settings moved the close/minimize/maximize buttons to the left of the windows and made them round. IMO that was where it started. 9.10 still looked like the old versions prior to it and was more Windows-like.

Haha yeah, and 4 labs. Those are the real time sinks.

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Now I have a question, which one, if either, is restrictive with it's command line functions?

They're the same, really. Both use the bash terminal, which is the one I see the most often.
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Re: Linux
« Reply #77 on: February 01, 2012, 09:59:20 PM »
Shit sorry, yeah, I mean 10.04 the LTS ver and one of the last versions (sans 10.10) that was good with the cube. 11 is def more like a tablet than an actual computer OS.

I personally would try to familiarize myself with the older look and utilities rather than hop into 11 and be confused as fuck as to what is going on. I hate 11. Definitely would like to get 10 back on a laptop. I personally felt 10.04 was the distro that I was the most productive on. After that would be windows, then after that would be 11.04 and after that would be mac snow leopard.

I still don't get why there's this notion that all new users absolutely must be directed towards Ubuntu.  Especially when you've got people saying that new versions look more like a tablet OS, and are confusing.  If it's ill-suited to the task at hand (interacting with a computer, rather than a tablet), and it's confusing, why bother?  There's plenty of other distros out there to recommend, and it seems like people are just trotting out Ubuntu because "it's for noobs," and nobody wants to bother coming up with another choice.  Fedora isn't any more difficult than Ubuntu, in my opinion.  Debian doesn't suffer from the silly changes Ubuntu is making, at present.  Mint is pretty simple to use, and similar enough to how Ubuntu used to be.  Mandriva is also pretty simple to use.  Chakra offers some of the perks of Arch, but with a graphical installer, and a lot of the hand configuration of a normal Arch install done for you.  FreeBSD offers a pretty straight-foward install, and excellent documentation to answer any questions you might have.

It seems like at this point people are directing new users towards Ubuntu simply out of habit, rather than because it's actually the best distro for them to use.   I guess what I'm saying is, with all the crap that the latest versions of Ubuntu have, what is it that Ubuntu does so much better than other distros that you guys are still just echoing each other with, "Ubuntu, ubuntu, ubuntu" when someone expresses any interest in linux?  Other distros have perfectly functional graphical installs.  Almost any distro can easily be configured with graphical tools.  Most package management systems have graphical frontends.  Unless you want to do extensive customization, just about anything you might want to do can be done with some config wizard or another.  And if you DO want to do this sort of extensive configuration, or you're using a WM like musca that doesn't have a GUI config wizard, chances are you are okay with the idea of editing config files to make the changes you want. 

Also, to make it clear, when I say you guys just echo each other, I'm talking about linux users in general, and not just on this forum  About a month ago I saw the same question pop up, and there was a similar parade of "Ubuntu!" answers.  The guy tried to install Ubuntu, and things didn't work, so I agreed to help him.  Everyone insisted he must have screwed up something, because "Ubuntu always works, and it's for noobs."  After spending my whole weekend helping him, we realised there was a hardware incompatibility with his machine and the stock Ubuntu kernel.  A fedora ISO installed flawlessly within minutes, though.  So why do so many of my fellow linux users treat Ubuntu like it's appropriate for all new users, even when it obviously has limitations?  Depending on hardware, intended use of the system, and any number of other factors, one might change their assesment of which distro is best suited, yet many people seem to shout Ubuntu as soon as they see "Want to try/new to linux" without considering (or often even knowing) many of the basic factors that should go into forming their answer.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #78 on: February 02, 2012, 03:59:56 AM »
I should probably install a few distos to vms and play around with Linux again, it's been a while.  The only linux I'm using right now is a Debian install with no Gui on a computer I use as a file server when someone brings me a virus infected computer to work on.  I guess I also use it for DHCP, DNS, and a comms server.

Hmm what distros to play with? probably 3 or 4.
Debian
Fedora
arch
openSUSE?

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Re: Linux
« Reply #79 on: February 02, 2012, 04:01:39 AM »
For one, he's obviously new to Linux. What we find confusing as experienced Linux users won't affect him because he's not used to the classic GUI. I personally think Unity is pretty cool, now that I've used it for a few months.

Rather than out of habit, Ubuntu has one of the best support communities I've ever seen. Read some of the responses on here, especially Duki3003's, which highlights the benefits to being able to Google 95% of your problems.

Ubuntu obviously doesn't always work. I've described some problems I've had with it, myself. It's undeniable, though, that it's ready to work on the majority of possible hardware configurations available on the market. No one said it was better than all other distros, but it's certainly among the best.

The ease of use of Ubuntu stems from the ability to install the majority of your software without having to build code. Pretty much every piece of Linux software has Ubuntu-specific support. It's not noob-friendly because it automagically works on every configuration possible, but rather because it's easy to use and works on a reasonably large range of hardware configurations. And don't forget that Ubuntu can be used reasonably well without ever touching the terminal, much like Windows.