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Re: Linux
« Reply #80 on: February 02, 2012, 12:11:31 PM »
^ ???

Ubuntu's [10.04] Gnome looked pretty darn similar to Harey Hardon version.

I was referring to the windows, where the default settings moved the close/minimize/maximize buttons to the left of the windows and made them round. IMO that was where it started. 9.10 still looked like the old versions prior to it and was more Windows-like.

That's the most mac-like thing 4 for you? le wut.
why did i press 4 instead of typing "for"...

I still don't get why there's this notion that all new users absolutely must be directed towards Ubuntu.

Know what, Why don't you do an experiment? ask your friends to dual boot each of the distro's you mentioned.
help them on that part if you have to, of course.

make sure that they have no damn clue about linux. that is, never got curious, and it's the first time they heard of it.
bonus points if they have "I'm computer literate because i can play solitaire" level computer literacy. and post results in a week after they installed and used the os for everyday functions. lets see how it turns out.

I can pretty much see ubuntu being the easiest to use.

Fedora being easy to use? i had a hard time installing progs on that. also, confusing commands for command line.  it's also the hardest to use distro i hopped into.

Debian? I think there's a good reason people call that OS "for experienced users". I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole at my level. nevermind that Debian has a larger software repo than ubuntu (iirc), something hyped that way is not something i'd touch.

Mint is easier to use than ubuntu, yes. but ubuntu still got more software in its own repos.

Mandriva, Didn't have stuff* i wanted installed by default, iirc. Though I can't specify since it's been a long time i've distro hopped. you can take this part with a grain of salt.
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Chakra, never heard of it. do people even use that so i have others i can ask or solved threads to search?

FreeBSD, any recognized progs in there? or just a select few?


also, you seem to really like fedora...



EDIT:

Another thing i've noticed that you seem to be under the impression that the average newb would be willing to adapt to any new OS.

from my experience. i.e. when a a friend of mine tried to use my lappy when it had mint (LXDE) when we were doing a research project for our psychology class. first thing he asked was "where's firefox?", the OS came with the then newcomer chrome, which was unheard of in our parts of the internet. his next question was, then "do you have MS Office or Openoffice?", the OS came with abiword and co.

Next thing he said was, paraphrasing him, "Man, how can you even use these progs? they're so hard to use! (read: unfamiliar)"

Bottomline? don't expect any newbie linux user to stick with a new OS that has stuff they never heard of.
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Re: Linux
« Reply #81 on: February 02, 2012, 01:56:46 PM »
Actually, I'm not a big fan of Fedora, but I prefer it to Ubuntu for sure.  And as I believe I said earlier on, Fedora's more likely to be useful career-wise.  Unless the OP is told to maintain servers all of a sudden, if he runs into Linux at work, chances are it'll be RHEL, Fedora or CentOS.  Red Hat and CentOS function just about the same as Fedora, so familiarity with Fedora will give the OP the ability to use any of those systems with relatively little difficulty.  I don't know how you've really managed to use any other version of linux if you found Fedora's command line difficult to use.  Outside of package manager specific stuff (i.e. yum and rpms), Fedora's commands are Just about all the same as any other linux OS.  And Ubuntu doesn't really have a leg up on Fedora for ease of installing packages either.  Since I first tried it out three years ago, yum has had a graphical front-end that functions the same exact way as the GUI program from Ubuntu.  Search for packages you want, tick the box next to the one you want, and hit install to install it and all of the dependencies.

Debian isn't that tough to use if you're just doing general purpose stuff.  I managed it quite fine when I was first trying out linux and testing out a variety of distros.

Chakra is based off of Arch, which has some massively helpful forums, active IRC, and a wiki that will answer most questions you have before you need to go to either the forums or IRC support channel.  There's also a decent community of people who just use Chakra, for specific questions.

Now for your BSD questions, what?  Just get out...  Yes, freeBSD has plenty of recognized programs.  23000+ and growing,  at last count.  What's not already there is usually pretty easy to port.

As for your next point, that everything should be as similar as possible to Windows, it's an idea I find pretty stupid.  If someone I know complains that linux is should be more similar to windows and they want me to help them, the first help they'll get is this.  Linux isn't windows.  If that's what you want, why are you bothering to try linux?  If people cannot be bothered to learn how to use their new OS, I see no reason to waste all of my time helping them remove the things that make linux linux, and piece by piece turn it into a ghetto Windows.  You don't see posts on OS X forums getting serious consideration if the person is saying, "Mac sucks because it isn't exactly like Windows."  People don't bend over backwards to Window-ify OS X in response to that, they point out the benefits of their OS. 

And @Freedom Kira:  My point was that there are other distros that do all of that already.  Ubuntu hasn't reinvented the wheel on anything.  They've just done a good job marketing the wheel.  Most major distros can be effectively run without touching the terminal these days.  I don't see making the OS look and act as much like Windows as a possible to be a good thing, though.  If I wanted it to look and behave as much like Windows as it could, I would install WIndows.  And Ubuntu hits snags later on if you actually become a proficient user.  They patch their programs all to hell, so their version works different from what's upstream.  One patch to fix one program's incompatibility with a new version of something spawns 5 others, and then you wind up with a house of cards for an OS.  They do other silly things that make it frustrating to use after a while.

When I was talking about it being confusing for the interface, based on what other people are saying it WOULD be confusing for a noob.  It's a computer OS with a freaking tablet interface.  There's no one who isn't going to be confused by that.  And Ubuntu's already got the HUD coming down the pipes to further confuse people.

In short, there's a couple of things you folks here seem to be assuming off the bat.  First, the user is an idiot.  He's incapable of reading technically oriented instructions, and needs to be spoon-fed everything.  Second, the user wants everything to be like Windows, except not actually be Windows.  It's not cool to like Microsoft products any more, but he can't afford a Mac, so he must want a linux distro that looks just like Windows.  And the big one, underpinning the first two assumptions, the user will refuse to learn how to do anything in a new way.

If you want something that looks exactly like Windows, behaves like Windows, and is controlled like Windows, why on earth are you going to use linux?  Sorry to rant at you guys, but it seems like you're going out of your way to cater to a group of users who likely will not benefit from using linux, and will just go back to windows in the end, because it does everything they need, exactly how they need it.

Apologies for length, but it's as concise as I'll be able to get it.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2012, 04:19:38 PM »
Geez, now you guys are turning this into a fanboy argument. It's not.

metro wants to dick around with linux. Thus, ubuntu was a good suggestion. Not saying other choices aren't valid, but it's the best choice for a casual user just wanting to dip his toe into the pool before a plunge. It was for that reason I suggested trying out the older gnome version prior to hopping into the new tablet version.

My "weird" suggestion was to see linux from different facets. Hell, he can try out kubuntu as well for all I care.

In the end, everything is an opinion. No need to pull on people's balls based on their sexual orientation towards linux distros. There's a place for that, but right now, let's just give metro his easy one night stand.
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Re: Linux
« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2012, 04:34:33 PM »
Questioning whether or not one distro is the "best" for new users is hardly starting a fanboy flamewar.  I'm simply pointing out that, in my opinion, there's a lot of factors out there that would be useful towards determining which distro would be best suited to a new comer to linux.  Technical proficiency, intended use of the computer, and what the person aims to get out of the experience, just to name a few.  I think failing to take these things into consideration, and just shouting out whatever your favourite distro happens to be is setting up people for bad experiences.  Some people disagreed with this stance and explained why.  I've simply expanded on my reasoning in my last reply.  There's nobody here saying "Distro X rocks! Everything else crap!" 

It's pretty civil.  I feel you guys oversimplify things.  You guys disagree.  People on the internet don't agree, happens all the time.  Nobody's turning this into a fanboy fight, though. 

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Re: Linux
« Reply #84 on: February 02, 2012, 05:08:00 PM »
*Shrugs*

In any case, metro, go mess with a distro and let us know what you think.
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Re: Linux
« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2012, 05:21:35 PM »
*Shrugs*

In any case, metro, go mess with a distro and let us know what you think.

^This.  In the end, you're the one behind the screen, not us.  Try something out, and if you like it, great.  If you don't like it, let us know what it is about the distro you dislike, and maybe we can guide you towards something more your style.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #86 on: February 02, 2012, 05:52:13 PM »
Can't really call this a "fanboy war", shikitono explained why. and since this thing's already started might as well make the most of it. not like this thread will live on after the op decides.

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that's a pretty far future proofing you had in mind. I always recommend ubuntu because I know if they aren't satisfied by it, they'll look for something else. I recommend it with distro hopping in mind. which is what you'll inevitably do because you have tons of options in linux. that's an unstatistical claim, but i'm pretty sure it's true for a lot of people.


I don't know how you've really managed to use any other version of linux if you found Fedora's command line difficult to use.  Outside of package manager specific stuff (i.e. yum and rpms)

this is actually what made me say "screw it" and stuck with opensuse. some things in my fedora install didn't work properly too, when ubuntu and opensuse worked.

yum has had a graphical front-end that functions the same exact way as the GUI program from Ubuntu.  Search for packages you want, tick the box next to the one you want, and hit install to install it and all of the dependencies.

this is actually another reason i didn't like it. it's harder to navigate than ubuntu's.

"get a different package manager"? what, want me to find something i like among the many ones when another distro provides an easy to use one? I'm not that much of an expert nor do i have the time to find a gui package manager! I have other things i'll use more often to tinker with!

--me, back when i was distro hopping

Debian isn't that tough to use if you're just doing general purpose stuff.  I managed it quite fine when I was first trying out linux and testing out a variety of distros.

I think i'll try installing it for once. I only shy away from it based on my mentioned hype.



Chakra is based off of Arch, which has some massively helpful forums, active IRC, and a wiki that will answer most questions you have before you need to go to either the forums or IRC support channel.
So it's just arch with a graphical installer and not a full blown derivative like ubuntu?
I'm assuming what you said means any solution applicable in arch is applicable in chakra with no adaptations on the solution.



Now for your BSD questions, what?  Just get out...  Yes, freeBSD has plenty of recognized programs.  23000+ and growing,  at last count.  What's not already there is usually pretty easy to port.

Sounding like your "ubuntu experts" buddies right here. I'm not referring to known programs within BSD. those are exclusive ones. what i meant are cross platform ones, which is why i mentioned firefox and openoffice.

s for your next point, that everything should be as similar as possible to Windows, it's an idea I find pretty stupid...
See previous point. That's why i deliberately mentioned cross platform software. and nothing about the GUI... It's easier to adapt to something with  familiar programs. I never said anything about copycat gui.

Oh shit, my classmate uses mac! how do i watch videos?! Oh wait, he has VLC! *fires up the damn thing and plays a video*

--average windows user who finds mac alien


also, I think the first part of my post was ignored, did it make no sense or have you not found someone who did a similar experiment? I mean it's so obvious at least someone might have tried it in the last few years...
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Re: Linux
« Reply #87 on: February 02, 2012, 06:59:16 PM »
To avoid making this more massive, I'm not going to quote, so hopefully it makes sense which parts I'm talking about.

I don't know what you mean when you talk about it wanting you to get a different package manager.  Granted, I'm happy with nothing but terminals (anime and manga are the only reason I really bother having a gui), so it could have changed since I first tried Fedora.  Back around Fedora 11 or 12, in the default gnome environment, there was a GUI front-end for yumunder the Adminstration/System Tools menu.  Search box in the upper left, you typed what you wanted, and it would give you a list of matches from the repos you had enabled.  You could tick the box next to it, click install and it'd automatically grab any dependencies and install it for you.  I believe there was also a button to update your system, as well.  Seemed pretty straight-forward to me.

Debian isn't so terrible.  Neither is Arch, despite the reputation it has.  If you can read the beginner's guide on the arch wiki, and can manage to not run off screaming "Oh god, it's too technical looking!" you'll be fine with either distro.  I think they're mostly rated as too hard by people who look at the documentation, skim it, and don't bother trying to do anything.  Their, "This distro is too hard." usually corresponds to a behaviour my mother loves, "It looked like it would be really difficult, so I didn't even bother trying."

Chakra is Arch with a GUI installer, and a few configuration options taken care of for you.  Arch is a totally text based installer, and you have to edit your own config files to set up certain things.  Arch doesn't ship with X11 or any DE/WM installed, and a fresh install of Chakra will have KDE installed and set up by default.  Basically, once you get past the installer (which the Chakra community will try and help with any issues you have), any solution that works for Arch should work for Chakra.  The potential snag for this is package versions.  I don't know how close to the Arch repos Chakra is with their packages.  It should be pretty much no delay, but there's the off chance that the maintainers for Chakra could hold up a new version of a package, in which case it may behave differently than on Arch. 

Concerning BSD, my "Just get out..." was half kidding.  Basically any of the big name programs from Linux will run under FreeBSD.  Firefox, VLC, Open/LibreOffice and many others have FreeBSD versions easily available.  The one thing that could be a bit of work for newcomers is something like Flash.  Adobe doesn't put out a BSD flash package, so you'd need to use the linux version.  Just involves editing your /etc/rc.conf file to load a kernel module (typically just means adding a line like, "enable_linux-kmod="YES"), reboot and install it.  On the plus side for noobs, they can feel all hacker-ish using the ports system to build their programs from source, and have optimized packages.  "Whereis foo" will print out something like "/usr/ports/audio/foo"  Change to that directory, and "make install clean" will build optimized packages for you.  Any configuration options will pop up in a dialogue for you to choose from, rather than using arcane "./configure --enable-lua --enable-jpegs" or some such device like linux.  And another perk for FreeBSD's ports system is that while you compile from source with ports, it'll also fetch dependecies for you, rather than you always having to compile everything in just the right order.

And your first part was ignored simply because everyone I know who uses linux/wanted to try it was competent enough that they just did their own research, and went off and tried it.  Either that, or they were already using it by the time I met them, and had already gone through their distro search, and settled in on something that worked for them.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #88 on: February 02, 2012, 07:16:21 PM »
On the fedora installer, yes. it was straightforward, but the ubuntu one is still more straightforward. also, for some reason like i mentioned, the fedora install didn't work very well, and one of the ones that didn't work was the package installer. couldn't get results for some reason even after an hour of tinkering with it.

I still prefer opensuse's YaST though. similar but better to fedora's. got results on in the first time i used it with no tinkering.

yes, it was a noob thing that made me shy away from fedora.


and point taken on, debian,arch, and chakra. you've explained everything, got nothing more to say on those, thanks.


on FreeBSD, so there's more work to be done to get flash? hmm, makes me think twice, but hey, at least it ain't apple.


lastly, on the experiment part. how is that possible? no, make that "how the hell are your friends all linux users?"
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« Reply #89 on: February 02, 2012, 07:56:28 PM »
They're not all linux users.  Simply all my friends who are interested in using linux either already do, or know enough google-fu to do their own research, and pick their own distro without stopping to ask me my opinion.  The remaining people (most of them) are content with windows.  I don't bother trying to win converts, if they want to they know they can ask me.  Otherwise I'm just annoying them, which isn't likely to give them a great opinion of it. 

Perhaps you got a bad install disk, though.  And I can't really imagine it getting much simpler for the install process.  Enter name and contact info if you want, else skip.  Pick timezone (usually already picked properly for me), select language and keyboard layout (only need to change if you're not using US English and a standard qwerty keyboard), and prep your hard drives.  Language and keyboard layout are the only two that I can see many people having to change.  Hard drive partitioning options can be complex, but you usually have a pretty specific goal in mind if you're doing anything all that tricky, and if you want to do something difficult, chances are you know how.  For the the most part, it's just "Click continue four or five times, go with auto option at partitioning screen."  Reboot and set a root password. 

I don't believe I've tried openSuse, but for now I'd say my favourite installer is Arch's.  It might look a bit imposing at first, but the Beginner's Guide will hold your hand, and it's easy enough once you've done it one time.   From popping in the install disk to having a fully up to date system with a GUI and everything takes me all of about 10 minutes of actually doing anything, and 30-45 minutes of just waiting for everything to download and install.  Then I've got all my favourite programs installed, nothing I don't use or need in some form or another, and it's a simple matter of cloning my github repo on to the drive, and putting my tweaked config files where I need them.  Maybe an hour of time at most, and everything is updated, and all my little tweaks to different programs have been put into place.


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Re: Linux
« Reply #90 on: February 02, 2012, 10:04:55 PM »
Geez, now you guys are turning this into a fanboy argument. It's not.

metro wants to dick around with linux. Thus, ubuntu was a good suggestion. Not saying other choices aren't valid, but it's the best choice for a casual user just wanting to dip his toe into the pool before a plunge. It was for that reason I suggested trying out the older gnome version prior to hopping into the new tablet version.

My "weird" suggestion was to see linux from different facets. Hell, he can try out kubuntu as well for all I care.

In the end, everything is an opinion. No need to pull on people's balls based on their sexual orientation towards linux distros. There's a place for that, but right now, let's just give metro his easy one night stand.

Oh my that analogy was amazing.

I will get around to messing with Linux when I get around to messing with Linux, school kind of gets in the way for play, even when my play would help my schooling. Recursion...

Regardless, I will let you know what happens when it happens.

I'm gunna leave you anyway.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #91 on: February 03, 2012, 05:27:07 AM »
Uhhhhhhhh baby... baby...

Say my name...

Ubuntu




Pure jest of course. Funny to hear about opensuse. I was going to use that back in the day, but my computer's specs weren't up to par according to that installer, so I tried ubuntu instead.
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Re: Linux
« Reply #92 on: February 03, 2012, 12:49:05 PM »
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Every now and then, I feel this weird tugging at my balls.  Now I know.  It's some damned, horny linux distro ...  :o  feeeeels liek ,,,hmmmm, ohgodohkami-sama I think I'm having a euphemism .......

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« Reply #93 on: February 03, 2012, 01:33:48 PM »
Don't just assume that you are right. Verify with the best tools available and if you are wrong, change your mind and you will become right.

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« Reply #94 on: February 06, 2012, 12:27:29 AM »
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Funny rant from drawn-reality blog about getting an anime batch together.  Oh, and a large segment of it will give you an idea of what "fun" you can have with linux.  It's always a learning experience.  ;) ;D

 - http://drawn-reality.org/?p=565



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« Reply #95 on: February 06, 2012, 05:20:09 AM »
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Funny rant from drawn-reality blog about getting an anime batch together.  Oh, and a large segment of it will give you an idea of what "fun" you can have with linux.  It's always a learning experience.  ;) ;D

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I don't know what the deal is with the company that was hosting that site, but if they offer Arch as an option, it's pretty dumb for them to insist that the kernel be held back to 2.6.  Arch can be pretty damn stable (my desktop has had one issue in the last year, due to an upstream bug in the kernel), but the whole point of the distro is pretty much staying on the bleeding edge, as they put it.  If the company wanted to restrict things to only use the 2.6 kernels or older, they should have stuck to just offering something like Debian for it.  Every package in the Arch repos will pretty much break rather quick if you hold back the kernel from updating for any appreciable amount of time.  That could have been avoided by not updating pacman, but sooner or later other packages would require pacman be updated.  Unless those guys got the server with nothing running on it, and just installed Arch themselves remotely, that just seems stupid on the hosting company's part.

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« Reply #96 on: February 06, 2012, 06:00:16 AM »
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Ah, you misread a bit.  Notice:

Quote from: drawn-reality
archlinux distros on VM’s that have linux 2.6 kernels after linux 3.0 comes out

The server was using some Very Stable linux distro, specifically to be Very Stable for hosting purposes.  drawn-reality had created a virtual machine within that distro upon which they run ran archlinux.

archlinux proceeded to (auto-)update to the bleeding edge kernel 3+ something while remaining inside a VM ... and the distro hosting the VM remained somewhere in the kernel 2.6.* ... at which point, archlinux proceeded to vomit all over itself while performing an auto-lobotomy with a rusty screwdriver.

And, as we all know (or, should know), mucking a rusty screwdriver around the internals of server is a sure-fired way to pooch any database or other processes that might happen to be running.

It wasn't archlinux  that had its kernel held back, but it was living inside its own virtual reality, which proceeded to evaporate when kernel 3.* tried to rip its way outside of its 2.6.* container.

The VM served its exact purpose in that scenario: it shredded & imploded itself harmlessly while leaving the host's server distro untouched.  The company providing the hosting service has a very admirable grasp their duty and of how to prevent one customer from blowing up everything for all their other clients.
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« Reply #97 on: February 06, 2012, 09:41:28 AM »
Not quite.  I've just done that update not too long myself, arch didn't proceed to auto-update anything.  When pacman 4 got pushed to the core (the version which requires a 3.x kernel), the next time you updated it would say "before this transaction, you should upgrade pacman first [yes/no]" or something similar.  So, basically it was their (the sub group's) own fault, assuming they choose to install themselves on that VM.  Whoever updated either answer yes to the prompt, or ran something like "pacman Syu --no-confirm" to answer yes to all the questions.  They could have simply answered no, and the upgrade would have proceeded fine, barring any programs that required pacman 4. 

So I was wrong about who was at fault, but the point stands that Arch was a stupid choice in this particular situation.  It's not like people didn't know 3.x kernels were coming, and it was a bad decision to install a distro which lists having bleeding edge software as an advantage in an environment that is obviously not suitable for such a distro. 

Probably would have been a better choice for them to go with Debian or something that doesn't mind having a kernel that's a few versions behind, rather than Arch.  Even if they'd installed Arch on this a while ago, based on the situation they described this sort of incident sounds practically inevitable.  Arch can run a server fairly well, though the forums don't recommend it for anything that you need to have near 100% uptime on, and it's hardly advisable to run it in an environment that doesn't allow you to stay current on updates.  If you're going to have to hold back on updates for a fair amount of time, you may as well use a system that takes its time getting the updates out anyway.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #98 on: February 11, 2012, 08:04:50 AM »
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Take a look at this utility:

 - http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

UNetbootin is licensed under GNU/GPL, so free use.  You can install quite a number of linux distros to a USB drive (or Windows, for that matter).  Also to a hard drive partition if you wish.

I just picked up three of these 8 GB Patriot flash drives for $7 each on a newegg special:

 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220301

You could, of course, go for a larger drive, but 8 GB is pretty generous.  They are USB 2, so they will have some speed issues, but I'm not in this for speed (right now).  Besides, don't want to deal with any USB 3 config hassles at the moment (apart from the price premium, also).  USB 2 is exceptionally stable & supported.

These patriot drives have top notch reviews for stability & long life.  I plugged theminto my WinXP system and am quite impressed that 1) they are completely clean of all software; they are just blank chips waiting for you to do as you please with and 2) when they are detected, they are detected as HDD devices both in Windows and in the BIOS, not USB drives or devices.  This bodes very well for stable & supported boot from USB port behavior.

USB drives can get worn out by excessive file read/writes on them, so you don't want to runan OS on them for thousands of hours.  However, to play around with numerous linux distros and finally create/settle on one as a boot/utility drive ... these should rock hard.

My intention is to use these 8GB drives to experiment until I get a nice stable boot configuration, including all the little utilities that make system analysis/recovery & repair a merely semi-suicidal endeavor.  Once I get something I really like, then if more space is needed I'll look for a 16 GB drive that has high reliability & speed, perhaps even move up to USB 3.  I've seen a lot of remarks that USB 3 drives have quite a performance edge over USB 2 drives when used in USB 2 ports.


But, really, click through on that UNetbootin link and look at the distros it supports natively.  You can also configure it for others once you get used to it.

Just reiterating my previous suggestion that a few cheap USB drives could give you an extremely flexible range of options to safely experiment with.  It might be a some time before I can play with these in some detail, but when I do I'll check in on this topic again & report.  I REALLY need one or two USB boot drives for the various system analysis & recovery that I get called on, including the safety factor of being able to recovery/repair my own systems when needed.
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Re: Linux
« Reply #99 on: February 19, 2012, 05:32:15 PM »
My boyfriend SWEARS by Linux, but you really have to know what you're doing because there's not much keeping you from wrecking havoc all over the parts of the system Windows tries to hide from you. You also have to jump through some hoops for compatibility, especially if you don't do a side-by-side install. Linux can be amazing and it can accomplish things Windows never could, but if you don't know what you're doing... well, good luck.

Though now that I've seen this, I kind of want to try it out, just because it's based on Hikaru no Go, one of the best series of ALL TIME. <3