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Ratio Enforcing

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Duki3003:
It's not a discussion about our tracker, nor a suggestion or issue. Technology board is fine.

datora:
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As stated pretty well above.  Let me re-state for fun:

On a 100% private tracker, a ratio system of 1:1 minimum (especially on each individual torrent) is basically a pyramid scheme.  At some point, a bunch of newbies will be stuck at the bottom of the Ponzi and won't be able to make ratio even if they seed for years.

Therefore, the system must be designed with 'escape routes.'  Several were mentioned above, in addition to how baka does it.  I'm really impressed with how well the hybrid system works here.

What happens here, and is effectively a requirement for indefinite availability, is that a pool of "superusers" put some of these torrents on their seedboxes and never delete.  I've run across torrents that are up with users who have 18,000+ hours of active time.  Do that math.

However the system is designed, encouragement of community members to dedicate themselves in this way is the fundamental thing that drives success.  I've connected to unusual, obscure torrents here and always, without FAIL, have been able to download, even if it's only one or two seeders at 10-20 KBs.  This is the first torrent community I've ever been in where I've never had the need to make a reseed request.

Especially when I run across anemic torrents like that, I reseed to 10:1 minimum, often 13:1 or 15:1, before I retire it, even if it takes six or eight months or more.  I check my Inactive list regularly.  Whenever I see torrents hanging out with 3 or 5 or 7 seeders regularly, I queue them back up out of archive and regularly re-start them, usually when I notice the seeds have dropped to 2 or 3.

Here's the crazy thing: they are rarely active and don't seriously impact my bandwidth.  No need to choke them because they get leechers so rarely.  I've collected about 100-120 torrents of this type (so far) that I never delete off my seed drive, and add one or two every week.  And, because I'm one of the only three or five seeds on some of these, over time I've built up stupid rations of like 30:1 on "dead" and "anemic" torrents ... cheers to the success of a semi-public tracker system.

It's really an education problem: teaching n00bs that it really doesn't cost them anything to keep older, anemic torrents alive.

vuzedome:
Just keep them running, that is all there is to it. Enforcing will only make it harder and no one would want to join such a strict tracker.

Pentium100:
While I keep the torrents running as long as I can (I eventually have to move the files to a hard drive on another server, seeding from a network drive is not as reliable; I also archive files to tapes, when I accumulate enough of them) getting high ratio on private trackers is hard, especially if I download older and/or less popular torrents (in a couple trackers I had to download popular torrents just for seeding as I did not want the files).  BakaBT (probably due to it being a semi-public tracker) is not as bad as the completely private trackers. After all, I managed to get ~380 ratio on a couple of torrents. On a different, completely private, tracker I only download during freeleech because it is extremely hard to have good ratio otherwise.

metro.:
Okay so I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this way.

On said other site, they have it set up so if you donate then your ratio doesn't matter, which really just is silly. Also, due it supporting currently running TV shows, the likelihood of people maintaining older single episode downloads is an unreasonable expectation.

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