Author Topic: Final Fantasy X: Remastered (Read 6096 times)

Havoc10K · « **Reply #20 on:** February 11, 2012, 08:17:34 PM »

Well, FFVII wasn't exactly milked much IMHO.
Seeing the constant popularity that is still being there, people still playing that game even though it barely works on new rigs (ugh!). There is still a lot of room for some more fun about this one title.

FFX ... i'm not exactly excited about it, I enjoyed FFX-2 much more when it comes to gameplay. Sure FFX had a better story, but that is all it really had, a story because gameplay wasn't very interesting.

If FFX had the gameplay system of FFX-2, now that would be impressive, it doesn't have to be dress spheres, but an active class change and linked to it abilities. I had fun with that. And also, Active Time Battle (ATB) and not turn based.
That was boring, I used to play FFX and decided I need a break, leaving the PS2 on, went out or sleep, eat, watch a movie, do something and turn the TV on the PS2 and continue...after 2 days.

Nikkoru · « **Reply #21 on:** February 11, 2012, 08:45:17 PM »

Quote from: SeventyX7 on February 11, 2012, 08:12:44 PM

Any Final Fantasy game from 9 on backwards could never be "remade." They were just too big. To "remake" those games with modern technology would be MASSIVELY expensive. More expensive than to make a NEW final fantasy game, by far.

I doubt this, VII was large by 1996 standards but average as far as Playstation 2 games are concerned.

They would already have the script, planning, combat system, world map, character and monster designs - everything in place. They could use the character models for HD from Advent Children and other relate media - as well as voice actors.

And how much do you suppose they would profit off the expense?

kevin33 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 11, 2012, 08:54:47 PM »

In my opinion X should not be remastered its fine the way it is. If they get rid of the sphere grid I would be annoyed greatly. I liked that it made you use every character with certain parts and creatures you fought. The most I can see Square Enix change is the fighting system to make it more XIII style. Other than that I cannot see them changing anything else. They better have all the spells X had originally too. As well as Aeons fighting system as well. Maybe they will change how blitzball is played haha.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #23 on:** February 11, 2012, 08:58:15 PM »

VII remake ... I don't need any real updates, just make it widescreen, update models a bit, no need for a complete overhaul. Make it run on higher systems properly and not like this:

And i'll be happy panda.

SeventyX7 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 11, 2012, 08:59:45 PM »

Quote from: Nikkoru on February 11, 2012, 08:45:17 PM

Quote from: SeventyX7 on February 11, 2012, 08:12:44 PM
Any Final Fantasy game from 9 on backwards could never be "remade." They were just too big. To "remake" those games with modern technology would be MASSIVELY expensive. More expensive than to make a NEW final fantasy game, by far.

I doubt this, VII was large by 1996 standards but average as far as Playstation 2 games are concerned.

They would already have the script, planning, combat system, world map, character and monster designs - everything in place. They could use the character models for HD from Advent Children and other relate media - as well as voice actors.

And how much do you suppose they would profit off the expense?

I'm not talking ps2 standards. The jump from ps2 development costs to ps3 was a MUCH larger jump than the ps1 to ps2 development costs jump.

Look at it this way. FF13 took 3 1/2 years for 300+ people to make. Consider the actual content of that game compared to FF7. The amount of environments, the number of enemies/bosses, the number of moves rendered, the amount of cutscenes that would be new in the remake not present in ff7. No doubt it would take much more than ff13. The script, planning, combat system, "design" things won't be a big help. They'll still have to spend a lot of work rendering all that.

As for 10, I liked 10's combat system. I liked it more than 7's, but less than 5's. That's a judgement call. I can't imagine why ANYBODY would like 13's combat system, any system where the game has AI make decisions for you is retarded. Worst shift SE made after FFX, in my opinion. I chose my party's abilities and equipment and everything about them, so obviously I also want to be the one making the decisions about how they use said gear/abilities in combat. This ties in with the failtastic trend SE has been following by making gamers more and more passive in their games. First it was the excessive number of cutscenes and now they're cutting gamers out of the gameplay, too.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #25 on:** February 11, 2012, 09:03:21 PM »

Last Remnant.
Try that.

SilverDash · « **Reply #26 on:** February 11, 2012, 09:25:18 PM »

If they ever make a remake for FF7 I would buy it for sure. No doubt about it. Just some bug fixes and somewhat newer graphics but the backgrounds and such are all okay. Maybe just some better models with more polygons. Perhaps a few extra quests or so or make it slightly harder.

I'm not really interested in remakes of other versions of FF. I stopped after 9 + 11. Maybe if we donate enough and send them a petition they can make a free remaster

Havoc10K · « **Reply #27 on:** February 11, 2012, 09:29:26 PM »

got 50 mil EU ?
that would make it possible I guess.

SilverDash · « **Reply #28 on:** February 11, 2012, 09:30:18 PM »

We just need 5 million people to donate 10 euro and sign. Let's see how many friends I have........ crap...

Havoc10K · « **Reply #29 on:** February 11, 2012, 09:32:39 PM »

Facebook is just what you need

Start a profile for FF7 Remake

Nikkoru · « **Reply #30 on:** February 11, 2012, 09:48:55 PM »

I might've been fine with FFXIII combat system if they didn't make every other aspect of the game terribly linear - from the maps to levelling. The fact that you could never die in XIII took what's left of the challenge - any time I actually did die I just used all my assault shrouds and quickly claimed victory. It was like watching an RPG themed movie.

I would've kept the story, characters (I loved Lightning's character design and voice), and general art design - done the combat system like X-2, ATB but with some choice as to what the hell you're doing, and done a levelling system like VI - learning magic/levelling your character with AP depending on your individual Esper. With character specific battles like in Chrono Trigger. They could keep the Timed Battle reward system, it was somewhat interesting - though it did feel somewhat Angry Birds-ish. Most importantly, I would've opened it up and filled it with interesting side quests and generally would have broadly increased the choices the gamer can make.

X was enjoyable, but I doubt anyone would put it as their favourite FF, and I think with the money and the franchise makes - every new FF should be the best ever.

Garret02 · « **Reply #31 on:** February 11, 2012, 10:55:09 PM »

If S-E will ever make the FFVII remake (and they will, as soon as they will start having big financial troubles) I will not buy it. Don't get me wrong, I love FFVII. However FFVII remake will not be the same FFVII anymore. I can't imagine FFVII without pre-rendered backgrounds. I can't imagine FFVII (or any FF before FFIX for that matter) with spoken dialagos (this really put me off in FFX). Also emo Cloud from AC looks terrible. They would probably fuck storyline too as they would add few quests including opportunity to resurect Aeris, and with resurected Aeris they'd have to change considerable amount of storyline and they would fuck it up. They would also probably change battle system (it's a remake, not remaster) because nowdays people for some reason don't like turn based combat and are used to jRPGs characters jumping like in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon". So they would fuck this up too.

Ofcourse if all they do is replace characters models and up a resolution of backgrounds, I'm game but that's very, VERY improbable. So thanks, but no thanks.

Quote from: Nikkoru on February 11, 2012, 09:48:55 PM

X was enjoyable, but I doubt anyone would put it as their favourite FF, and I think with the money and the franchise makes - every new FF should be the best ever.

Oh, you would be surprised to see how many people claim FFX as their favourite. I have no idea why as IMO it's not good at all.

Meomix · « **Reply #32 on:** February 11, 2012, 11:03:53 PM »

Final Fantasy: The only game we can bet our bankruptcy on releasing recklessly version VVIIIXD the turberlant beyond.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #33 on:** February 11, 2012, 11:41:02 PM »

Quote from: Garret02 on February 11, 2012, 10:55:09 PM

If S-E will ever make the FFVII remake (and they will, as soon as they will start having big financial troubles) I will not buy it. Don't get me wrong, I love FFVII. However FFVII remake will not be the same FFVII anymore. I can't imagine FFVII without pre-rendered backgrounds. I can't imagine FFVII (or any FF before FFIX for that matter) with spoken dialagos (this really put me off in FFX). Also emo Cloud from AC looks terrible. They would probably fuck storyline too as they would add few quests including opportunity to resurect Aeris, and with resurected Aeris they'd have to change considerable amount of storyline and they would fuck it up. They would also probably change battle system (it's a remake, not remaster) because nowdays people for some reason don't like turn based combat and are used to jRPGs characters jumping like in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon". So they would fuck this up too.

Ofcourse if all they do is replace characters models and up a resolution of backgrounds, I'm game but that's very, VERY improbable. So thanks, but no thanks.

Quote from: Nikkoru on February 11, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
X was enjoyable, but I doubt anyone would put it as their favourite FF, and I think with the money and the franchise makes - every new FF should be the best ever.

Oh, you would be surprised to see how many people claim FFX as their favourite. I have no idea why as IMO it's not good at all.

That's what I mean about a re-release, just slight update to the visuals, since I think the game is perfect in all aspects, even every NPC even as they are low resolution they are still easily distinguished.
Up the resolution to nearest widescreen or better, and i'm game.

They removed the resurrection of Aerith for a valid reason and that remains a very good point in the game.
An important character like her, getting killed, triggering major plot flags and pushing the main character to commit an double reality check, break out from his nemesis spell and decides to stop him at all costs.

We should remember that as far as stopping Sephiroth goes Cloud didn't really care about staying alive afterwards. If he died right there he would be happy to join Aerith. He punished the wicked one, he didn't need to do anything more.

Also as far as FF7 goes, we know that both Aerith and Cloud love each other and the final video sequence shows that Aerith will wait for him.
Then FF7 AC comes around reassuring that Aerith still waits for Cloud and she doesn't intend on stopping. They made a few stupid things with AC which I don't like, but whatever. Service in form of Nice combat and also Tifa's presence, made AC pretty much a success. I personally don't like Tifa that much, I like her limit breaks, probably the most tricky thing in the entire game is to make all limits critical.

My fav team is and will always be Cloud+Aerith+Yuffie/Red XIII. But after Aerith is gone I need to use Tifa more with Yuffie.

Yuffie is just fun to have around.

The only thing that was good with FFX was the story, nothing else.
As far as characters go, I guess I like devilish little girls so Rikku is my fav in the FFX/2.

Hadouken · « **Reply #34 on:** February 12, 2012, 12:42:12 AM »

Quote from: Nikkoru on February 11, 2012, 09:48:55 PM

X was enjoyable, but I doubt anyone would put it as their favourite FF, and I think with the money and the franchise makes - every new FF should be the best ever.

X is my favorite, and then VI.

SeventyX7 · « **Reply #35 on:** February 12, 2012, 01:09:47 AM »

Quote from: Hadouken on February 12, 2012, 12:42:12 AM

Quote from: Nikkoru on February 11, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
X was enjoyable, but I doubt anyone would put it as their favourite FF, and I think with the money and the franchise makes - every new FF should be the best ever.
X is my favorite, and then VI.

X is in my top 3, if not my favorite.

I'm always shocked when people talk about 7 like it's perfect and it's still amazing to play today. I tried to play through it again like 2-3 years ago and I could only get like 5 hours in.

I don't care about graphics in my games, but the way they designed the game has some serious problems. There are massive difficulty spikes seemingly out of nowhere (that one scorpion boss on neibelung mountain was one no-name boss that was one of the hardest fights in the game), who you use didn't matter for story or combat (since materia is what really determines the power of your team), no matter what you do you have pretty much the same party archetype (an attack oriented char, a supportive/magical type char, and a mulligan char), there isn't really anything to the plot beyond "chase Sephiroth" and the reasons for that are pretty ambiguous in the beginning of the game.

I would rather sit down and play any final fantasy (except 2, 11, 13, or 14) than 7. It was an amazing game for its time and still a pretty good game for ~10 years after that...but after playing games that are as good as they are today? I think not.

FF7 is the most overhyped game of all time. Not overhyped in terms of how important it was to shaping the genre, because it was a revolution, but overhyped in absolute terms of how good it is. I'm not sure if it's because of nostalgia-fueled fanboyism or for gamer-peen, but when you argue that ff7, in absolute terms is better than ff9 or ff10, games that in my opinion are superior in EVERY way except perhaps in the effects it had on the genre, then I'm afraid I disagree with you, good sir.

GOOD DAY!

kurandoinu · « **Reply #36 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:18:44 AM »

Well I'll be playing it. FFX is my second favourite after FFVIII.

I can't stand FFVII mainly because of "OMG FF7 is leik teh most awesomest game ever and I leik want 2 have sexes with all the characters becauz they r TEH BEST EVA + al teh other FFs r shit + so r teh ppl who play dem! Remake it, remake it remake it, remake it!" Faggotted fandom and over-milking killed that game for me years ago. =_=

SilverDash · « **Reply #37 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:27:36 AM »

Quote from: kurandoinu on February 12, 2012, 08:18:44 AM

It was an amazing game for its time and still a pretty good game for ~10 years after that...but after playing games that are as good as they are today? I think not.

I personally think that the older games are usually better. Nowaday games I can finish in 1-3 hours on the highest difficulty. Also level designs are sometimes really bad (like getting lost). In older games they created the levels in such a way that you almost don't get lost at all. It's really noticeable. Or all those 'invisible walls' at spots where they forgot that the player can reach. Also the amount of bugs increased drastically in modern games compared to older games. But hey, now they can just patch. In the old days they couldn't patch as most people didn't use the internet or not much.

I have this feeling that they make games easier to beat so a broader range of people are willing to play it. It really saddens me.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #38 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:55:06 AM »

Quote from: SilverDash on February 12, 2012, 09:27:36 AM

I have this feeling that they make games easier to beat so a broader range of people are willing to play it. It really saddens me.

How old are you to notice it now ?

SilverDash · « **Reply #39 on:** February 12, 2012, 10:02:29 AM »

I played my first (PC) game on those black/white screens about 21-22 years ago. I believe it was 1990-1991 somewhere. I'm not counting the Atari and consoles. I think my first online game was Netstorm or Diablo I. I think it was Netstorm tough as I did not have a legal copy of Diablo I at first. And yes piracy does go all the way back to the pre-internet era

. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_(CD-ROM))

And before that trading floppy's at school. It's just that those things went corrupt all the time... The teachers didn't really know what it was anyway.

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