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kitamesume:
which dualcore exactly? i was talking about those E-450/350 dualcores =P netbooks.

@OP
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i just remembered, the i3-2100 is overall faster in CPU performance than the A8-3850, though an overclocked A8-3870K should be slightly faster. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=289
filling this up i found that the i3-2100 combo is a whole tier cheaper.
(click to show/hide)the set i would suggest:
[$124.99]Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor
[$119.99]H67M-ITX/HT LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX w/ Wireless LAN WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n & remote
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
[$104.99]SILVERSTONE Sugo SG05-B  Mini-ITX Case SFX 300W 80Plus PSU
[$25.99]SAMSUNG 8X Slim Internal DVD Burner, OEM
[$124.99]Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
TOTAL : $605.93

note: the mobo has a remote and a Wifi.
the case requres a slim ODD and already has a 300W PSU, the PSU's limits is only up to GTX 550 Ti or HD6770.
extra note: some of them have rebates, but i don't trust those.

Edit: i tweaked the selections a bit, now everything should fit snag and clean.

now pick your poison.


--- Quote from: kitamesume on February 10, 2012, 02:13:31 PM ---@OP
(click to show/hide)OH so thats what i forgot, LOL then we could take out the GPU since the onboard should be enough for a few months, and thus you could get one later on, i'd suggest picking up an at least a HD6670 to support the hybrid crossfire, do note that the GPU isn't solely intended for gaming, actually this isn't enough for gaming either, it's purpose is to expand what the system can do and to lighten the load of the system. i.e. making the add-in card do most of the GPU work = more TDP headroom for the CPU to overclock.

also the HSF is for the CPU, if you look at it carefully its an Unlocked Llano, the reason for getting one is to allow you to overclock higher, thus making it a more powerful rig for it's price, not only that, it extends the life expectancy of the unit, i mean it could last you 5years or more before switching to a newer rig. plus the advantage of cooling the unit better is that it extends the CPU's life, or so rumors says.

also, i think a terrabyte is kind of stretching the budget because decent 1TB 7200rpm drives starts at around 150$ more or less...
what i mean by decent is that they're fast to support the OS's craving for speed and/or durability of the drives themselves, cheap 1TB usually are 5400rpm and are retardedly slow for the OS.
theres also that plan of buying a smaller HDD and adding a big one later, also if you calculate regular usage, an OS only uses about 40GB, and games uses an average of 10GB each, calculating 10games+OS would use around 140GB, having about 500GB should leave you an ample 300+GB of space to use for other purposes.
but if you insist in buying a 1TB drive, we could cripple the unit a little bit to free up some budget, i'll try splitting the charts in two. (click to show/hide)
--- Quote from: kitamesume on February 10, 2012, 11:50:21 AM ---the set i would suggest:
[$139.99]AMD A8-3870K Unlocked Llano 3.0GHz Socket FM1 100W Quad-Core
[$47.99]Scythe Big Shuriken 2 Rev. B CPU Cooler
[$139.99]ASUS F1A75-I Deluxe FM1 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) w/ Wireless LAN WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n & remote
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$74.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866
[$104.99]SILVERSTONE Sugo SG05-B  Mini-ITX Case SFX 300W 80Plus PSU
[$25.99]SAMSUNG 8X Slim Internal DVD Burner, OEM
[$84.99]Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
GRAND TOTAL : $618.93

note: the mobo has a remote and a Wifi.
the case requres a slim ODD and already has a 300W PSU, the PSU's limits is only up to GTX 550 Ti or HD6770.
the HSF is to allow you to overclock further, do note that the Llano is an unlocked version.
extra note: some of them have rebates, but i don't trust those.

Edit: i tweaked the selections a bit, now everything should fit snag and clean.

--- End quote ---
[$119.99]AMD A8-3850 Llano 2.9GHz Socket FM1 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU
[$139.99]ASUS F1A75-I Deluxe FM1 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) w/ Wireless LAN WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n & remote
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
[$104.99]SILVERSTONE Sugo SG05-B  Mini-ITX Case SFX 300W 80Plus PSU
[$25.99]SAMSUNG 8X Slim Internal DVD Burner, OEM
[$124.99]Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
TOTAL : $603.93

Note: the mobo has a remote and a Wifi.
the case requres a slim ODD and already has a 300W PSU, the PSU's limits is only up to GTX 550 Ti or HD6770.
extra note: some of them have rebates, but i don't trust those.i could turn it into a M-ATX rig but losing some features.
(click to show/hide)[$139.99]AMD A8-3870K Unlocked Llano 3.0GHz Socket FM1 100W Quad-Core
[$47.99]Scythe Big Shuriken 2 Rev. B CPU Cooler
[$74.99]GIGABYTE GA-A75M-S2V FM1 AMD A75
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$74.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866
[$19.99]APEX PC-389-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
[$44.99]CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 (CMPSU-430CXV2) 430W
[$17.99]LITE-ON DVD Burner
[$124.99]Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
TOTAL : $610.91
note: this doesn't have the wireless lan.

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PS: upgrading too often is bad and costly, an average of 2years before you change units should be the sweet spot, 3years for desperate and 5+years for stingy people. 10+years for stingy bastards who doesn't wanna waste money at all *ahem* schools *ahem* pentium4 freaks *ahem*.

Edit: also to note, i don't think theres an upgrade option with the Llanos, you'd have to replace the motherboard as well if you're going to replace the CPU since the FM1 is kind of like a Llano-only motherboard. so that means you'll still be forced to change everything except the other components like ram/hdd/gpu(or not, since you aren't considering gettin one)/etc... also if they introduce DDR4 then reusing the DDR3 would be hard...

krumm:
I'll write out a build for you today but I will start with the cpu now.  The choice now seems to be between the AMD A8-3850 $120 and the Intel Core i3-2100 $125.  The prices are close enough to not matter there.  Performance is what matters and that depends on what you are doing.  In general the intel is better.  The AMD is better with heavy threaded applications due to having 4 real cores instead of 2 with hyperthreading.  amds victory is not that large from what I've seen tho.

Since gaming is not a concern I would get the intel.  I don't know what the intel igp can do so you may need to get a gpu, but you still should be able to stay under $600.  Getting 1TB hdd may be the problem, but ill take a look see what I can find.

Also I've read somewhere to stay away from the h61 chipset and go for the h67.  For example this looks like a vary nice mobo.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131783

Ive not seen your thoughts on mobo size is ATX good or does it have to be smaller(mATX).

Here is some cpu comparisons.(I've only read the first 2 but it is important to do your own research)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/3
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/A8-3850-vs-Core-i3-2100-CPU-Review/1325/1
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a8-3850-llano,2975.html
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-a8-3850-apu-review/

Things of note: Ill write up a intel build, and will not cut corners. $600 with a 1TB drive and a gpu will be hard and may go over budget.  If it does ill point out the areas that corners can be cut.  I also probably can't pick out a case you like, but I'll pick one anyway.  Ill try to get it in the next 10hours as I have some things I need to do.

kitamesume:
^ use the ones i've picked up as reference, some of them are the cheapest possible option on their range, such as the 1600 DDR3 ram and the 1TB 7200rpm hdd.
that should speed your selections up.

datora:
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Sorry I can't follow this topic closely right now.  But two things jump out on this list:


--- Quote from: kitamesume on February 10, 2012, 11:50:21 AM ---[$74.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866
[$104.99]SILVERSTONE Sugo SG05-B  Mini-ITX Case SFX 300W 80Plus PSU
--- End quote ---

Shop harder for these.  8 GB of 1600 DDR3 should cost no more than $40 delivered these days; I've seen it for $30.  Even 1866 can be had for $40-$45.  Same for the case.  You can buy a solid, budget case for ~$60-$65 or under.  400W & 450W PSUs get down into the $25 range regularly.  I put a 550W CoolerMaster in one of my systems last summer for $29 delivered; I have a 620W ecogreen Antec in another that came in $35 after rebate.


--- Quote from: kitamesume on February 10, 2012, 11:50:21 AM ---[$25.99]SAMSUNG 8X Slim Internal DVD Burner, OEM
--- End quote ---

Don't know if you require a slim DVD player; if not, watch for specials down to $17-$18.  In particular, I've picked up three Asus DVD burners at that price; they go there about every three to four weeks on newegg specials.

I agree about having caution on the rebates, but if you really pay attention to the exact requirements and don't dick around and try to send them in at the last minute, I'd say that 90% or more of the time they come through without hassle if you're dealing with a reputable vender.

Hard drive advice:  Right now you're getting screwed.  Prices are retarded high at the moment.  Seriously: consider if you can get a 500 GB or 640 maybe to get by ... hell, even a 320 ... and then start building a budget to acquire more capacity later on.  Your mobo should handle USB 3, so going external will be fine for transfer rates.  Also safer to have your data archived on a separate drive than your OS.  USUALLY.

Have you thought about budgeting for a good surge protector, or even a small UPS battery ..?  Even if they don't run your system for more than ~3-5 minutes, they provide a lot of protection for your electronics & data.  A 3000 Joule surge protector can be had for ~$15 if you shop carefully, and a 320 VA UPS can go as low as ~$30-$35.  If you can't get them now, certainly consider them for the future.


[ EDIT: By The Way on hard drives: if you see a good special on a notebook drive, a 320 or 500 or somesuch, no reason you can't use it in your system.  It'll be more stable, use less power, be more quiet, more cool ... it doesn't take much creativity to adapt a 2.5" drive into a full-sized bay ... if you're careful and creative, you can even get two into that space.  I did that in an old Dell that had only one hard drive bay.  Had an old 120 GB notebook drive laying around from an upgrade, then later added in a 320 GB when I found a WD Scorpio Black on special (back in the days of cheap drives 18 months ago ::) ) for $35.  For that system, it was vastly more capacity than I needed, but it made a great torrenting box (with a 1.8 GHz P4 & 512 MB DDR RAM) until I donated it to a friend who needed a basic web-surfer & document composer.  Played Age of Empires and Fritz Chess just fine for old farts like us. :laugh: ]

kitamesume:
^you're talking about sales + rebate, obviously it'll reach that low, but those prices are their regular price, right now sales are kind of erratic, wait till summer vacation starts.

about around december i've seen i3-2120 go below 120$, an ITX board going 70$ and quad channel 1600 ram kits for 60$. reputable PSU's reaching 30$ and mini-itx case going for 90$ bundled with PSUs.
so yea the sales does happen though kinda rare.

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